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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/unprecedented-scientists-declare-global-climate-emergency-after-jet-stream-crosses-equator/Climate scientists this week expressed alarm after unprecedented data showed the Northern Hemisphere Jet Stream crossing the Equator.
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Its the very picture of weather weirding due to climate change. Something that would absolutely not happen in a normal world, he wrote. Something, that if it continues, basically threatens seasonal integrity.
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Thats bad news for seasonality, he continued. You get this weather-destabilizing and extreme weather generating mixing of seasons that is all part of a very difficult to deal with Death of Winter type scenario.
University of Ottawa climate scientist Paul Beckwith called the new behavior unprecedented.
Our climate system behaviour continues to behave in new and scary ways that we have never anticipated, or seen before, Beckwith observed. Welcome to climate chaos. We must declare a global climate emergency.
In a YouTube video, Beckwith said that the jet stream behavior signaled massive hits to the food supply and massive geopolitical unrest.
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EDIT:
I posted this without cross-checking it first and it has been debunked.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/30/1543998/--Jet-Stream-Crosses-Equator-Not-Unprecedented-not-a-Climate-Emergency-Hell-Freezes-Over
I hereby apologize for any misunderstandings and inconveniences.
no_hypocrisy
(46,119 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Warpy
(111,270 posts)and shows both the northern and southern jets with branches going all over the place. That picture is a lot more disturbing than the one posted at Rawstory.
I speculated on another thread that this might be what's shutting down the hurricane formation, especially in the Pacific.
It will be interesting to see if the present jet stream mess can be categorized as weather or if it becomes climate.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)redefining of seasons for years now. We came to the Deep South in 2000. The changes had undoubtedly been happening for a long time by then, but for the first few years we had 4 lovely, very distinct seasons. Summer evenings meant watching fireflies flashing all over the meadow and a noisy summer chorus of millions of insects singing away. Now the flashes are isolated and the chorus muted.
And summer and erratic winter highs and lows have lengthened to dominate most of what used to be spring and fall. What is happening is extremely real.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)and while the northern jet is contorted over Asia, it's well above the equator.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)That is not normal.
B2G
(9,766 posts)It is normal and it doesn't point to evidence of climate change. That is weather.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)There was one famous storm in 1836 in Illinois that took the temps from the 40s to 0 in just a few minutes, resulting in many fatalities.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)to minus 20 in less than twenty-four hours because of an extreme arctic cold front sweeping in. We did know ahead of that huge drop in temperature, thanks to weather satellites and modern communications.
Fast and dramatic changes in weather are quite common, although global climate change may possibly be making them happen even more often. There are some fascinating books out there about specific weather events that make good reading:
The Children's Blizzard by David Laskin
Isaacs's Storm by Erik Larson
Sudden Storm by R. A. Scotti
The last one is about the Great Hurricane of 1938, and there are quite a few books out there about that storm.
My point is that sudden and dramatic changes in weather happen a lot, more or less all the time. It's worthwhile to read up on some of the events that have occurred.
villager
(26,001 posts)Would have been able to tell them this years ago.
frankieallen
(583 posts)Mister Ed
(5,940 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Proving something to his followers.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)It's people like him that give the other side ammo.
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OTOH it's called science.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Called the 'End of Nature'.
For those who care it was very depressing, and now we are living it.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Not a blog or youtube video, but an actual study? Without this, it's just speculation from a blogger with no background in science.
Climate change is very real, but it's important to look at the actual studies, not youtube videos and blogs by bad sci-fi authors.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Alarmist FUD is what it is. What it does is gives the CC-deniers ammo. Every. Single. Time.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Laid it all out years ago and now we are witness.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)That's a book by a journalist. I want data from scientists.
Funnily enough, criticism about that book from wiki:
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I guess you haven't read it?
Doesn't matter, the end of the natural world is here. Birds are almost gone, the ocean is much warmer, glaciers are going if not gone, weather systems are more severe. 99% of climate scientists agree we have altered the natural world.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I also agree it is man-made.
What I'm SPECIFICALLY talking about is the article in the OP. That particular article talks about NEW data. Where is that data? I want to see it before I believe something a sci-fi author/blogger talks about.
The book you refer to is from 1989. Lots has changed since then. We know way more now about CC than we did then.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)We know much more now.
New data is coming in so fast it is hard to keep up!
But Bill's book was groundbreaking and has been proven to be a harbinger of what we see today. Full of science that is applicable today, 'End of Nature' has proven to be quite correct in its prognosis.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)But doesn't address my point as to the data that is referenced in the OP, but doesn't seem to exist with a cursory google search. Just a couple blogs and youtube videos.
Once again, I'm looking for actual peer-reviewed science. Not a book or article or video that may or may not quote it, but the actual research.
Some people like to read summarizations. I do not.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)College Libraries--- have much more access to peer review articles.....
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The source is a blog by a sci-fi writer.
CC is real, but let's not give credence to quacks.
frankieallen
(583 posts)frankieallen
(583 posts)did you not understand the request?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Yeah, I saw that. To start with read the 'End of Nature' book and then you will begin to understand what's going on. If you choose not to read, well, then it just puts you in the denier's circle and is a circle that just circles. I don't do circles.
frankieallen
(583 posts)will end any day now due to global warming, or be in some deniers circle.
I guess I have to choose the deniers circle.
Of course i understand that weather changes are happening, and that some of those changes are man-made. but i get irritated when I see people take any stupid comment regarding a map they found on the internet, and say, "see, it's proof the world is ending, no more snow, we are all going to starve next year, it's too late to do anything !"
These are the same people who thought "The Day After Tomorrow" was going to end the discussion on climate change.
There is a difference between facts, and speculation, that point seems lost on many who wish with all their heart and soul that the earth is warming, that's it the capitalist fault, and were all gonna die.
some guy
(3,448 posts)No promises, but this seems to be the study being reported?
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015JC011513/abstract
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I will take a look at that later today.
DustyJoe
(849 posts)February lows stayed between zero and ten for a month and June temps the past few weeks staying mid 90's preceeding the monsoons that start in July. Pretty much the same as it has the 45 years i've lived here. Seasons seem intact here at least.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)here in the Interior. Permafrost isn't, anymore. Polar bears are dying. Villages on the coast are drowning. Glaciers receding at an alarming rate.
The first palm tree I see growing on it's own in Juneau? That's it for me!
Over the past 60 years, the average temperature across Alaska has increased by approximately 3°F.[3] This increase is more than twice the warming seen in the rest of the United States. Warming in the winter has increased by an average of 6°F [3] and has led to changes in ecosystems, such as earlier breakup of river ice in the spring. As the climate continues to warm, average annual temperatures in Alaska are projected to increase an additional 2 to 4°F by the middle of this century.[3] Precipitation in Alaska is projected to increase during all seasons by the end of this century. Despite increased precipitation, the state is likely to become drier due to greater evaporation caused by warming temperatures and longer growing seasons.[3]
https://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/impacts/alaska.html
Hey, folks (in particular CC "isn't real" idiots, mostly Repukes) - Denial AIN'T a river in Africa, and if this keeps up, there may not be any rivers left.
Barrow is considered a "ground zero".............. and any Alaskan who's been here 30+ years will tell you that, yeah, that glacier used to come all the way up to the road, you could park and get out and touch it........... Not anymore.
Mendenhall:
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Jet streams are messy things with lots of splits, meanders, and even the occasional cut-off upper-level low. Based on the weather map in the article this is just one rather weak jet stream branch crossing the equator, which is really bizarre and possibly indicative of the sort of weather fuckery expected from global warming but it's not "OMG, WE'RE DOOOOOOOMED!!!".