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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 10:42 AM Jul 2016

'This is a historic day': California lawmakers send governor sweeping gun control package

Spurred by outrage over recent mass shootings, California lawmakers on Thursday sent Gov. Jerry Brown an unprecedented package of gun control bills, including a ban on the sale of semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines, background checks for those buying ammunition and new restrictions on homemade firearms.

In the wake of massacres in San Bernardino and Orlando, Fla., the flurry of legislative action once again puts California in the lead among states regulating firearms, and in stark contrast to inaction in the gridlocked Congress, officials said.

“I don’t know how much more blood needs to be spilled in our schools, in our community centers, in public spaces, until the members of Congress act and we can do this nationwide,” Senate President Pro Tem Kevin De León (D-Los Angeles) told reporters after the vote. “Until that happens, we will not stop moving forward forcefully to make sure that we protect our families, to protect our children, protect our communities. This is a historic day.”

But controversy over the gun control measures reached beyond Republicans who voted against them as an erosion of the 2nd Amendment. One measure that would allow Californians to petition courts to take guns away from co-workers also drew strong objections from the American Civil Liberties Union. The vote also came against the backdrop of a political tussle between De León and Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has qualified a competing gun control ballot measure with many of the same provisions as those offered in the Legislature.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-cal-legislature-gun-control-package-20160630-snap-story.html#nt=oft12aH-2la1

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'This is a historic day': California lawmakers send governor sweeping gun control package (Original Post) bemildred Jul 2016 OP
This is a nice start. Hopefully more states will follow. LonePirate Jul 2016 #1
We will see if they can have better luck than NY on ammo background checks Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #2
The gun industry is still telling us how wonderful guns are. Just as the tobacco industry was. hunter Jul 2016 #3
Smoking isn't a Constitutional right SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #4
The second amendment is bullshit. hunter Jul 2016 #5
Call it what you want SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #7
People can smoke too. hunter Jul 2016 #8
And people can drive too. Straw Man Jul 2016 #10
So they want me to register my .22 semi-automatic rifle that shoots 10 rounds cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #6
You mean you're the only one who has to do this? No one else? kcr Jul 2016 #9
So much for grandfathering. Just reading posts Jul 2016 #11
only thing i disagree with is the gun violence restraining order. n/t. okieinpain Jul 2016 #12
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
2. We will see if they can have better luck than NY on ammo background checks
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jul 2016

By law NICS can't be used for ammunition sales, so they will have to create, fund and staff a complete state level system.

NY passed it into law several years ago and has spent millions of dollars and missed multiple deadlines without the first check being done, and they had to walk back and say they won't enforce the law until some undetermined date in the future because they can't work the logistics out.

hunter

(38,322 posts)
3. The gun industry is still telling us how wonderful guns are. Just as the tobacco industry was.
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jul 2016

Few people think smoking is wonderful any more, not even among people who smoke. They know their habit is harmful to their own health and the health of others.

The laws changed to reflect that. We don't have to tolerate smoking in California's restaurants and other workplaces anymore. My freedom to enjoy a smoke free environment supersedes a smokers right to smoke.

Social pressures and legislation restricting guns will follow a similar trajectory.

None of us should have to live in an environment where we might be shot by a criminal, a fool, a psychopath, or by accident.

hunter

(38,322 posts)
5. The second amendment is bullshit.
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

An ugly relic of the eighteenth century, just as slavery was.

Indians causing trouble, workers striking, slaves rebelling? Call the fucking militia.

hunter

(38,322 posts)
8. People can smoke too.
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jul 2016

But there are laws regulating smoking.

Guns kill people.

Guns are a public health problem, just like cigarettes.

Personally, I think there are far too many fools with guns.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
10. And people can drive too.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jul 2016
People can smoke too.

But there are laws regulating smoking.

Cars kill people too. And there are laws regulating cars. And guns.

Guns are a public health problem, just like cigarettes.

Guns are a crime problem. If they are used legally, they pose no threat to anyone. Except, or course, in cases of legitimate self-defense, in which harm to the perpetrator is justified by prevention of harm to the victim.
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
6. So they want me to register my .22 semi-automatic rifle that shoots 10 rounds
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jul 2016

as an assault weapon.

Hallelujah the world will surely be a safer place, won't it.

And to think... my plan was to go down in infamy with it.

Foiled.

kcr

(15,318 posts)
9. You mean you're the only one who has to do this? No one else?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jul 2016

That really is a ridiculous law, then. In that case I agree, no one is much safer.

If only the law applied to others....

 

Just reading posts

(688 posts)
11. So much for grandfathering.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jul 2016

2001: "No worries. You can keep your normal capacity magazines. You just can't buy any more."

2016: "We changed our mind. Ship them out of state or turn them in to be destroyed."

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