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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNYT story on Trump's birther phase says Trump sent no investigators to Hawaii, made little effort to
Raising questions about the presidents birth certificate and even threatening to send a team of investigators to Hawaii had served its purpose, raising Mr. Trumps political profile and, whether he knew it or not at the time, providing him with the rudimentary foundation upon which he built his 2016 campaign.
He even skirted close to birther innuendo after the massacre in Orlando, Fla., this month, calling into Fox & Friends to insinuate that Mr. Obama might sympathize with Islamic extremists. He doesnt get it or he gets it better than anybody understands, Mr. Trump said.
But for all of his fascination with the presidents birth certificate, Trump apparently never dispatched investigators or made much of an effort to find the documents.
Dr. Alvin Onaka, the Hawaii state registrar who handled queries about Mr. Obama, said recently through a spokeswoman that he had no evidence or recollection of Mr. Trump or any of his representatives ever requesting the records from the Hawaii State Department of Health
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/03/us/politics/donald-trump-birther-obama.html
rurallib
(62,460 posts)PJMcK
(22,055 posts)malaise
(269,200 posts)sakabatou
(42,180 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)details just what a sick and disgusting person Donald Dump is. How he can get one vote is beyond me. How ignorant do you have to be to support this charlatan?
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can fool some of the people all of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Clearly, the die hard Trump supporters fall into the "You can fool some of the people all of the time" category.
keithbvadu2
(36,949 posts)candidates.
treestar
(82,383 posts)While we should GOTV, we are going to beat this fraudster.
IggleDoer
(1,186 posts)The Times made more effort investigating Trump in Hawaii than Trump did investigating Obama!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)It seems like all some people really want is for someone to vent their anger for them (to misdirect it to some other or another). I doubt many supporters will drop him after reading this story.
Feeling vindicated and justified because an authority figure has proclaimed publicly the racist, sexist, bigoted things you want to say is THE most important factor when casting you ballot. These people would be perfectly fine with a President Trump causing the country to go down the drain economically, and diplomatically, and every other way if only a President Trump would go on air, or twitter, for his daily Boardroom Statement where he could mouth some brash wingnut ignorant rant against some other that is the real cause of all their problems.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)charlyvi
(6,537 posts)to investigate the BC? I never heard anything back on that either.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Since he insisted it was Big, Very Big, I want a push for the full reveal. He's got nothing, so he'll utter some vague hyperbole. He should be pinned down. Just once, I want it to be crystal clear that he lied while he's sitting there doing it. Then I want the reporter to say 'so you lied,' and the media to keep repeating it.
A girl can dream...
Moostache
(9,897 posts)He will be made a complete fool of for 2 hours. The platitudes and pap of the primaries and his rallies won't cut it if Hillary holds her ground and makes him answer or just makes him drool on himself.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)sneering comments during his rallies and his TV and radio phone-in interviews.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)tblue37
(65,490 posts)be uncomfortable for him, though.
Michael Moore tells about a time both of them were to be on a talk show, and one of Trump's flunkies approached Moore to say Trump was really worried about what Moore would say about or to him on the show, and asked him not to say anything mean about Trump.
He bowed out of a FOX debate because he was afraid Megyn Kelly might make him look bad again.
He knows Hillary will be rough on him, and she is articulate where he is not. If in fact he is not somehow prevented from being the nominee, I think he will try to dodge debates with her. If he does any at all, he will keep them to an absolute minimum, but frankly I think he will do his best to avoid debating her.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)Maybe they were helping OJ find the real killers.
Did you ever think of that?
calimary
(81,523 posts)Nobody EVER interrupted his stream-of-consciousness babbling to ask him - "like what?" NOBODY ever followed up on that. "Like WHAT, Donald? WHAT are they finding?"
But in this case, it wasn't because they "all knew" he was blowing smoke. They were just lazy. Nobody wanted to interrupt the show, maybe a few of 'em couldn't believe what they were hearing. But NOBODY ever tried to pin him down. It would have been great to see. But nobody challenged him.
I'm not surprised this has come out. He's got NOTHING. He's just words. Just outrageous bombastic P.T. Barnum-style flourishing flap-drabble. That's all he's got. He's a bigger gas giant than rush limbaugh. And yet, people let him go on and on, like they're watching some episode of "The Apprentice" - and don't question him or try to pin him down.
My dad was like him (although without the big bucks). At times he'd talk about when he worked in radio, so he obviously knew all about how that industry operated first-hand (or that was the illusion he created). Well, I worked in radio, too. I was on the air. For a lot of years. Never in any sales department or upper management as I suppose he would have been, but in multiple newsrooms and production rooms and on the air. And one day, I finally decided to follow up on what, exactly, this radio career of his was. Drill down on it a little bit. "Dad, what did you do in radio? Were you on the air? Were you a GM? General Sales Manager? Regional Sales Manager? Account exec? Program Director? Jock? What was it that you did in radio?" Guess what he answered. "Well, I WORKED RADIO."
You "worked radio"? I noticed the preposition "in" was missing. He didn't say "I worked in radio" this time. Instead, it was "I worked radio." Me: "What does that mean, Dad?" "I bought commercial time! I WORKED RADIO."
AHA! Now I see. Of course. It's a little clearer now. I knew he'd never held some sort of air shift or had one of those offices "down the hall" where the sales staff or upper management staff had their offices. That wasn't who he was. He was a businessman. And he wouldn't have worked for anybody else, on somebody else's staff, anyway. But I wanted very much to cut through the salesmanship that was being sold to me. Which my dad always did. He knew how to play with words and twist meanings and massage talking points. He was a master at inference, allusion, suggestion, and insinuation. He'd say just the right things and the right wording to make YOU put two and two together and get whatever sum he wanted you to reach. Salesmanship.
That's what it was, and what it is. Just slick, fast-talking salesmanship. And I've seen and heard Donald Trump do that same rapid-fire "talk-a-good-game" schtick again and again and again. Notice how he talks. Fast and no breaks - quite often, he doesn't even stop to take a breath. The rushing stream of words and sentences and catchy phrases all running together in a big gooey puddle coming at you as though in some storm-swollen flood control channel so you're flooded. You're overwhelmed. Mowed down. Swamped. You don't have time to think, or sift, or sort. The water level's up just under your nostrils and you struggle even to get an unobstructed breath. You don't know where to start trying to pick through the crap or drill down through the muck to find the actual bottom, and it just sorta ALL washes over you and leaves the impression behind that he wants you to be covered with.
Donald Trump is all about salesmanship. He's a salesman. He's just a salesman and a huckster. P.T. Barnum risen from the grave. He'll say anything he thinks he can get you to believe. Cutting through the crap with him is actually quite easy, though. You just have to assume, from the start, that it's all hogwash. Whatever he says - and it doesn't even matter what he says. Unless he provides immediate concrete objective unimpeachable truth to back up what he says, it's all baloney. And you'll notice he NEVER DOES provide any proof. No. He'll redirect you toward that shiny object over there somewhere. He'll immediately start directing you to go look at his necktie display, or notice that table of fancy bottled "Trump Water" over there, or those incredible amazing suites in that lighthouse behind him (on the Scotland golf course he probably doesn't even own free 'n' clear but is leveraged up to the top of his ferret hair and will eventually find his way to bankruptcy declarations to weasel his way out of).
I swear - I know this guy. I grew up with that, and with him.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)What a fantastic post! 👍
kpete
(72,024 posts)Thanks calimary
I am going to read it again and again
Maeve
(42,290 posts)Doodley
(9,142 posts)I hope you are writing a book.
packman
(16,296 posts)He couldn't afford the air fare and hotel rooms for them.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)He lies about almost everything. I am sure if I tried long enough I could find a time when he told the truth.
Squinch
(51,025 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)I go along being appalled and appalled and appalled and then I stand back and a wave of disbelief washes over me.