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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:29 AM Jul 2016

This Hate Group Called for Killing White Cops

Then Dallas Sniper Micah Xavier Johnson Started Shooting.

Micah Xavier Johnson, the now-notorious Dallas cop-killer, was one of a handful of online fans of a group which proclaimed, “we must kill white police officers across the country!”

Shortly after 10 p.m. on Thursday night, when Micah Xavier Johnson shot and killed five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, Mauricelm-Lei Millere, founder of the African American Defense League hate group, posted a picture on his Instagram account.

The caption led with this: “We have no alternative! We must kill white police officers across the country!”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/08/this-hate-group-called-for-killing-white-cops-then-dallas-sniper-micah-xavier-johnson-started-shooting.html

More info:

Founded in the wake of Ferguson protests in 2014, the African American Defense League is tiny, with possibly only Millere himself as its current leadership, according to the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism. But Millere and the AADL operate many different front groups, including a Jonesboro, Louisiana, church called the Morning Star Baptist Church. Multiple attempts to reach Millere at his several phone numbers, email addresses, and Facebook accounts went ignored at press time.

The AADL’s calls to kill white police officers are not new. In November of 2015, the AADL’s Facebook page said “every black person across this nation should find a white police to kill in every state and American/European province around the globe.


Should this group be designated a terrorist organization?
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This Hate Group Called for Killing White Cops (Original Post) oberliner Jul 2016 OP
With what looks to be maybe one real member SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #1
This is not exactly a group.. HipChick Jul 2016 #2
The FB page has hundreds of likes oberliner Jul 2016 #5
Which means exactly nothing... HipChick Jul 2016 #6
It means they have a Facebook page with hundreds of likes oberliner Jul 2016 #22
last time i looked, liking a page on facebook was not the same as committing a crime dembotoz Jul 2016 #38
No kidding oberliner Jul 2016 #41
If the Council of Conservative Citizens here and the BJP in India aren't considered terrorist groups ck4829 Jul 2016 #3
Fair enough oberliner Jul 2016 #4
The inspiration HipChick Jul 2016 #9
You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Jul 2016 #13
Nothing is posted on NPR HipChick Jul 2016 #15
He was inspired by this group (and others) to kill random white cops oberliner Jul 2016 #19
You sound like you only have armchair information... HipChick Jul 2016 #27
I am glad we have you to teach us. Vattel Jul 2016 #34
I lulz'd KG Jul 2016 #7
No they're not a hate group. They're not talking about killing white people just defending blacks craigmatic Jul 2016 #8
Exactly.. HipChick Jul 2016 #10
Calling for the killing of white cops SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #11
To me a hate group wouldn't discriminate between cops and all whites. craigmatic Jul 2016 #12
Oh, OK SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #18
calling for any murder is fucking wrong... lame54 Jul 2016 #40
Apparently . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jul 2016 #17
In some minds, people are considered human HipChick Jul 2016 #20
No one here is arguing SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #29
Of course they are oberliner Jul 2016 #14
They frikkin' *ARE* a hate group! Archae Jul 2016 #16
Compare their satements to say neo nazis who would want to kill all blacks regardless of job or craigmatic Jul 2016 #21
You can try to twist it all you want SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #23
These posts have got to be satirical oberliner Jul 2016 #24
No, they want to kill *ALL* white cops. Archae Jul 2016 #25
That is a poor choice of words on your part. Are you really comparing jewish persecution to the craigmatic Jul 2016 #28
Yes. Archae Jul 2016 #31
The cops are not just people living their lives some are out actively harassing innocent people craigmatic Jul 2016 #33
Yup, each and every one of them. Archae Jul 2016 #36
good craigmatic Jul 2016 #39
A one man hate group, eh? MrScorpio Jul 2016 #26
Thank You!.. HipChick Jul 2016 #30
One man spreading hate with hundreds of followers oberliner Jul 2016 #35
You are correct. The SPLC classifies 'hate groups' as groups, individuals as 'extremists' Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #42
This makes Sharon Angle a hate group gwheezie Jul 2016 #32
Did she advocate for killing people? oberliner Jul 2016 #37
It sounds like you're setting up for moving a goalpost, you know that, right? ck4829 Jul 2016 #43

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
1. With what looks to be maybe one real member
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jul 2016

I would say no.

But I would say that the Dallas shootings were an act of terrorism.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. The FB page has hundreds of likes
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jul 2016

It seems to be a small group with this one hateful person doing most of the propaganda.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. It means they have a Facebook page with hundreds of likes
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jul 2016

One of the FB users who liked the page was Micah Xavier Johnson.

dembotoz

(16,826 posts)
38. last time i looked, liking a page on facebook was not the same as committing a crime
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jul 2016

that will come with trump....

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
41. No kidding
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jul 2016

Liking a FB page is obviously not the same as committing a crime. I have no idea why you would think I was suggesting otherwise.

ck4829

(35,084 posts)
3. If the Council of Conservative Citizens here and the BJP in India aren't considered terrorist groups
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jul 2016

Then calling this group "terrorist" would only go to show that "terrorism" is something the minority or the outgroup does.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Fair enough
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jul 2016

I guess "hate group" is sufficient.

The question is asked because people have called the shooting yesterday a domestic terrorist incident, and it seems that this group's ideology was the inspiration, at least in part.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
9. The inspiration
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jul 2016

was the decades long of treatment of blacks by police officers...none of which is new

You seem to infer the killer needed to be taught what to think...he did not....as a black male, he prob lived it

Another clear example of whites not getting it..

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. You have no idea what you are talking about
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jul 2016

Maybe read his manifesto? It's available on NPR's website.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. He was inspired by this group (and others) to kill random white cops
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:57 AM
Jul 2016

This is not something that 99.999 percent of people are inspired to do, no matter what their experiences may have been.

Are you familiar with the Black Lives Matter movement?

They advocate for dignity, justice, and respect.

To quote their most recent statement:

"Black activists have raised the call for an end to violence, not an escalation of it."

This AADL group stands for the opposite of that - which is why they are such a minuscule group.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
8. No they're not a hate group. They're not talking about killing white people just defending blacks
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jul 2016

from cops.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
18. Oh, OK
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jul 2016

Calling for the murder of white cops is OK, calling for the murder of whites in general is not.

Hate groups hate and call for the injury/attack/murder of members of a distinct group of people, in this case, white cops.

17. Apparently . . .
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jul 2016

. . . in some minds, police officers aren't considered to be people if they are white.

That's a dangerous road to go down, deciding for oneself who does, and doesn't, warrant consideration as a person. And it's something of an ironic road to walk, too, under the circumstances.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
29. No one here is arguing
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jul 2016

that point in any way, shape or form. Of course black people are human.

But saying that a group calling for the murder of white cops isn't a hate group is unfathomable to me.

Would you consider a group calling for the murder of black cops or Hispanic cops or Muslim cops a hate group? I know I would.

Archae

(46,344 posts)
16. They frikkin' *ARE* a hate group!
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jul 2016

"Not talking about killing white people?"

I guess all white cops aren't people in your fairyland.

The AADL’s calls to kill white police officers are not new. In November of 2015, the AADL’s Facebook page said “every black person across this nation should find a white police to kill in every state and American/European province around the globe.”

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
21. Compare their satements to say neo nazis who would want to kill all blacks regardless of job or
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:57 AM
Jul 2016

affiliation. They're not a hate group because they don't want to kill all whites.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. These posts have got to be satirical
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jul 2016

It cannot possibly be that an actual person believes these things. And with Ted Kennedy as an avatar, no less!

Must be some kind of performance art.

Archae

(46,344 posts)
25. No, they want to kill *ALL* white cops.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jul 2016

So that makes it just fine, right?

That is hate, hate of an entire group.

To deny it is the same as denying there was a Holocaust.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
28. That is a poor choice of words on your part. Are you really comparing jewish persecution to the
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jul 2016

plight of modern day cops?

Archae

(46,344 posts)
31. Yes.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jul 2016

The Nazis in Germany called for, and actively tried to kill *ALL* Jews.

This nutcase black group is calling for the killing of *ALL* white cops.

You're in a hole. Stop digging.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
33. The cops are not just people living their lives some are out actively harassing innocent people
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jul 2016

and killing them. Under this scenario it would be blacks who are the jews and the cops who are the opressors not the other way around. Nice try though.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
30. Thank You!..
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jul 2016

Folks acting like's it's a bonafide organization...rather than one man and his FB acct..

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
35. One man spreading hate with hundreds of followers
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jul 2016

In the internet age, this does appear to constitute a hate group. At least a virtual/digital one.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
42. You are correct. The SPLC classifies 'hate groups' as groups, individuals as 'extremists'
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jul 2016

and thus far this seems to be an extremist and not a hate group. Of course such statistics are always murky as members of very nasty organizations do not generally make themselves known.
Persons:
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual

Groups:
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/groups

Ideologies:
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
32. This makes Sharon Angle a hate group
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jul 2016

Since she insinuated 2nd amendment remedies.
And countless other public figures that have supported violence. And some of them run for office and have far more followers than this guy.

ck4829

(35,084 posts)
43. It sounds like you're setting up for moving a goalpost, you know that, right?
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jul 2016

Calling for "Second amendment solutions?" That doesn't sound like violence, it needs to be 'explicit'.

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