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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 08:03 AM Jul 2016

A Medical Mystery of the Best Kind: Major Diseases Are in Decline

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/upshot/a-medical-mystery-of-the-best-kind-major-diseases-are-in-decline.html?_r=0

Something strange is going on in medicine. Major diseases, like colon cancer, dementia and heart disease, are waning in wealthy countries, and improved diagnosis and treatment cannot fully explain it.

Scientists marvel at this good news, a medical mystery of the best sort and one that is often overlooked as advocacy groups emphasize the toll of diseases and the need for more funds. Still, many are puzzled.

“It is really easy to come up with interesting, compelling explanations,” said Dr. David S. Jones, a Harvard historian of medicine. “The challenge is to figure out which of those interesting and compelling hypotheses might be correct.”

...

But it looks as if people in the United States and some other wealthy countries are, unexpectedly, starting to beat back the diseases of aging. The leading killers are still the leading killers — cancer, heart disease, stroke — but they are occurring later in life, and people in general are living longer in good health.


There's a really interesting section further down about the pretty stunning decline in dementia rates, too.
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A Medical Mystery of the Best Kind: Major Diseases Are in Decline (Original Post) Recursion Jul 2016 OP
Smoking?? Peacetrain Jul 2016 #1
Air pollution? greymattermom Jul 2016 #2
And Unleaded Gas. Lochloosa Jul 2016 #3
All three, I'm willing to bet. Aristus Jul 2016 #6
Health Codes and safety regulations happyslug Jul 2016 #31
Be a helluva thing if that turned out to be true, wouldn't it? Jerry442 Jul 2016 #14
That theory has long been discarded. happyslug Jul 2016 #36
Interesting read. TY. Jerry442 Jul 2016 #51
I've got one word for you, son. Plastics. Squinch Jul 2016 #4
Are you suggesting our increased use of plastic is good for us? Chemisse Jul 2016 #7
It was just a joke. Squinch Jul 2016 #8
Oh - lol. n/t Chemisse Jul 2016 #9
Recent graduates won't get the joke Zorro Jul 2016 #10
I realized after that I was showing my age! Squinch Jul 2016 #11
I said exactly that to myself. With an eye roll. Plastics. Ah ha. Nt seabeyond Jul 2016 #17
Yeah, he was dishing on the old, old movie with Dustin Hoffman, the Graduate. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #29
You're trying to seduce us, aren't you? Orrex Jul 2016 #15
The room number, Benjamin. I think you ought to tell me that. Squinch Jul 2016 #41
People are starting to eat healthier foods as well as . . . Richard D Jul 2016 #5
Getting rid of transfats helped a lot, I think.... Adrahil Jul 2016 #43
And the change... Richard D Jul 2016 #75
+1 NT Adrahil Jul 2016 #76
This won't help things wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #12
Hey, I've got a GREAT idea! PatrickforO Jul 2016 #30
You are right about that wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #39
Clearly, it is the science. CanSocDem Jul 2016 #13
The Internet has been a double-edged sword. cleanhippie Jul 2016 #21
It's working for the "good"... CanSocDem Jul 2016 #24
It's also working for "the bad"... cleanhippie Jul 2016 #25
It's not a puzzle. CanSocDem Jul 2016 #27
I find it interesting that I was agreeing with you, and yet you attack me. cleanhippie Jul 2016 #72
I wonder...you might be right. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #32
I Think RobinA Jul 2016 #42
Clearly, people know what to think of your opinion. trotsky Jul 2016 #44
Maybe it IS the "positive thinking". CanSocDem Jul 2016 #52
I'm just pissed at people who blame victims. trotsky Jul 2016 #53
People eating less meat! Helen Borg Jul 2016 #16
Oh I hadn't thought of that one PatSeg Jul 2016 #22
We hardly ever eat red meat these days. Just chicken, turkey and sometimes fish. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #33
aging boomers who all smoke weed? mopinko Jul 2016 #18
I would agree with PatSeg Jul 2016 #19
also increases in liver cancer and kidney cancer womanofthehills Jul 2016 #63
Liver cancer in the developed world is usually the result of Hep C. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #73
Vitamin M... WheelWalker Jul 2016 #20
Why is it called vitamin M? PatSeg Jul 2016 #23
I'm talking about cannabis, lol... WheelWalker Jul 2016 #47
I should have known!!! PatSeg Jul 2016 #49
I agree, Vitamin M has some very interesting chemicals inside it. nt Rex Jul 2016 #60
Vitamin M is starting to save Medicare some money womanofthehills Jul 2016 #64
Clearly Jesus answering all our prayers rurallib Jul 2016 #26
People in wealthy countries are restricting smoking, Warpy Jul 2016 #28
Maybe it's because we finally legalized gay marriage so God is rewarding us lostnfound Jul 2016 #34
Changes in diet bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #35
A side effect of global trade Yavin4 Jul 2016 #37
Unraveling the "whys" will be an interesting process. Gormy Cuss Jul 2016 #38
GEE, PERHAPS BETTER ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE? cynzke Jul 2016 #40
DDT working out of the environment JCMach1 Jul 2016 #45
Reduced smoking, improved vaccines & medicines, reduction of chemicals... WestCoastLib Jul 2016 #46
But life expectancy has been declining... Helen Borg Jul 2016 #48
Sometimes it is hard to get the PatSeg Jul 2016 #50
However, this past year was not so good - health failure deaths increased again womanofthehills Jul 2016 #56
That's interesting PatSeg Jul 2016 #62
There's always the MIC to take up the slack. CanSocDem Jul 2016 #54
That article is about Mexico (nt) Recursion Jul 2016 #55
Yes, sorry, but there is a similar trend here... Helen Borg Jul 2016 #57
Well, no: life expectancy in the US is up Recursion Jul 2016 #58
We are not doing so well in the US on life expectancy compared to other countries womanofthehills Jul 2016 #67
True, and completely unrelated to your original claim Recursion Jul 2016 #69
It's the author of this article - she's in with the big boys who want you to think all is well womanofthehills Jul 2016 #66
Well it is about time all those GMOs started re-sequencing our DNA! Rex Jul 2016 #59
Deaths might be down, but CDC says new cancer cases increasing - womanofthehills Jul 2016 #61
More cases of cancer assuming the rate holds steady Recursion Jul 2016 #68
Where did you get your info the rates are dropping? womanofthehills Jul 2016 #70
Umm.... the article I posted? (nt) Recursion Jul 2016 #71
Cancer rates go up as the population gets older. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #74
So you are posting something the CDC published that was speculation about the future that... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #77
I think people are eating better, in many cases. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #65
Natural Selection Urchin Jul 2016 #78

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
2. Air pollution?
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jul 2016

Taking baby aspirin? Fish oil? Vitamin D? Some of the prescription drugs many folks take for hypertension are antiinflammatory. It's probably a combination of a bunch of things.

Aristus

(66,467 posts)
6. All three, I'm willing to bet.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jul 2016

And although on an individual basis, there was little we could do about air pollution and leaded gas, finally fewer and fewer people are choosing to smoke. That's a big one right there.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
31. Health Codes and safety regulations
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jul 2016

People tend to forget that till you enter your 60s the leading cause of death is accidents, and in the past many people died from the long term affects of accidents. For example, actor Christopher George died in 1983 from a Heart Attack brought on by a heart contusion that was from an accident he incurred in 1967, Improve safety features in cars have reduced such accidents immensely since the 1960s when such auto safety rules started to be forced down the auto industry's throat. Similar safety improvements occurred in the work place starting with the introduction of OSHA in 1970 (Over Nixon's veto).

Now, health codes have also added to the life span of people, through most of that improvement was pre WWII (The community drinking cup, that everyone use being replaced by paper cups that were used once and discarded prevented the spread of a lot of diseases). Health regulations did most of its improvements pre WWII (at late as the 1920s the City of Pittsburgh water was a leading killer of people in the City of Pittsburgh, it was that bad, but starting in the 1920s, as Democrats took over the City of Pittsburgh, water quality improved so by 1930s the water was no longer a major killer).

Since the 1960s you have seen indoor plumbing even in Rural areas, most parks still had pit toilets in the 1960s but had switched over to plumbing by the 1970s. Many of the older homes without indoor plumbing, even in urban areas, have been torn down since the 1960s (I lived next to a set of public pits toilets in an urban county that survived and still usable in the early 1970s, I do not remember anyone using them but it was still standing till 1973). This has all lead to improved hearth conditions since the 1970s, not a big a jump as from the late 1800s till WWII, but significant.

Today, even in rural areas, portable toilets are in use, something you did NOT see in construction areas or farm lands as late as the 1980s. Another health improvement over the last 40 years that no one thinks about.

Europe was behind the US in the above safety and health changes right after WWII (WWII cause a lot of health problems) but as things improved in Europe starting in the late 1940s, Europe took the lead in improving safety with the US following. Japan had always been a "Cleaner" nation when it came to personal hygiene then the US, but Japan improved of their safety and health regulations starting in the 1950s (Through Europe, lead banned in 2000 were years behind the US, in 1995, and Japan, in 1986, in getting rid of Lead out of Gasoline).

Time line on removing lead from Gasoline:

http://www.lead.org.au/Chronology-Making_Leaded_Petrol_History.pdf

Please Note Japan in 1971, and the US, in 1973, started to ban leaded gasoline do to the adoption of the Catalytic converter to reduce pollution. Europe did NOT adopt the Catalytic converter, thus used leaded gasoline long after most Americans, in 1973, and Japanese, in 1971,had STOPPED using leaded gasoline. Thus, while Europe was only five years behind the US in abolishing Leaded Gasoline, Europe was 28 years behind in phasing Leaded gasoline out.

Please Note Russia only banned leaded gasoline in 2003, but had banned it in most Cities and tourist areas in the mid 1980s.

http://transportpolicy.net/index.php?title=Russia:_Fuels:_Diesel_and_Gasoline

Increase vaccination rates have also been a factor, one long term affect of German Measles (Rubella) can be a weaker heart:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubella


Other vaccines have also reduced the long term problems of diseases. The problem is in much of the third world the vaccines are NOT given out or mandated by their government to be given to children, thus the disease survive in the third world and increase the number of people killed by such diseases in the third world.

Just a comment it may be more then pollution and smoking.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
14. Be a helluva thing if that turned out to be true, wouldn't it?
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:07 AM
Jul 2016

More than a few people have speculated that the Roman Empire fell because of lead.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
36. That theory has long been discarded.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jul 2016

Rome used mostly Hard Water, which is water with a high calcium content.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water

Hard water leaves a Calcium coating on any pipe it flows through, thus the lead pipes used by the Roman ended up with a Calcium coating that prevented any of the lead from entering the water the Romans Drank. Thus Rome did not fall do to Lead Pipe, it fell do the the fact its peasants did not see any difference between being ruled by the Roman Elites OR invading barbarians (and in many cases SUPPORTED the barbarians against their own 1%). The Christianization of the Roman Empire was an attempt to keep the people united, but failed to address the issue of the huge concentration of wealth Rome had by 400 AD (Thus when the Barbarians adopted Christianity, the Roman peasants supported the Barbarians against their own 1% for everyone was Christian then).

Please note, the one area of the Roman Empire that survived into the Dark Ages, what is called the Byzantine Empire, had the lowest level of concentration of wealth within the Empire. Those areas with the highest concentration of Wealth, Western Europe and Egypt, fell to invaders who gave land to the peasants in those area. That grant of land, or the right to keep most of what was produced on that land, lead the peasants to support the barbarians against the Roman 1%, whenever Rome Tired to retake those areas (and when Rome did re-take those areas, just as under Justinian in the mid 500s, Rome gave the land back to its 1% and found that the Peasants preferred to be ruled by the barbarians for the barbarians demanded less from the peasants when it came to crops).

The 1% has NEVER liked the reports we do have as to the fall of the Western Roman Empire, for it is clearly a case where the peasants REFUSED to support the 1%, every other reason for the fall has been mentioned, but do not survive any rigid review of the facts. Rome fell for the 1% had to much control over the land and economy of the Roman Empire and you can only do that for a limited time before you either have an internal revolts (Which Rome did suffer from in the 400s, but those peasants revolts were mostly suppressed) OR you have a foreign invasion that the peasants SUPPORT (Most of the peasants revolts of the 400s were suppressed using the same barbarians that later took over the Western Empire, thus the two "events" are not separate but interrelated. The barbarians finally saying we can rule those Roman Peasants without having to give most of the money to the Roman 1% and both we, the Barbarians and the Roman Peasants will have more money and be happier without the Roman 1%.).

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
7. Are you suggesting our increased use of plastic is good for us?
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jul 2016

Or are you saying that the removal of BPA products a few years ago has had these benefits?

Squinch

(51,021 posts)
11. I realized after that I was showing my age!
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jul 2016


(Note to anyone confused: it's a famous quote from the movie "The Graduate.&quot

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
29. Yeah, he was dishing on the old, old movie with Dustin Hoffman, the Graduate.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jul 2016

The adults had a party right after Hoffman graduated from college, and one guy came up and said the 'one word plastics' thing to Hoffman, who then proceeded to have an existential crisis that ended in his affair with Mrs. Robinson...

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
12. This won't help things
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jul 2016

Arizona anti-vaxxers working for private prison company blamed for largest measles outbreak in the US

Arizona is in the midst of the largest current measles outbreak in the U.S. — and health officials are blaming unvaccinated workers at a federal immigration facility.

Officials have confirmed 22 cases of measles in the state since late May, and they all can be traced back to the Eloy detention center, a privately managed Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility, reported the Associated Press.

The Pinal County health director said the outbreak probably started with a migrant, but all the detainees have since been vaccinated.

However, the health director said, some employees of the facility managed by Corrections Corporation of America have refused to get vaccinated or show proof of immunity.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/arizona-anti-vaxxers-working-for-private-prison-company-blamed-for-largest-measles-outbreak-in-the-us/

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
30. Hey, I've got a GREAT idea!
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

Let's get rid of all the private prisons ASAP!

There is nothing good about them. They aren't moral. The agreements local areas have with them to keep 80% of their beds full are absolutely unconscionable.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Please, prisons are something that should NEVER, EVER be privatized. Never.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
13. Clearly, it is the science.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jul 2016

Not the pseudo science of the medical industry who only pay lip service to the notion of eliminating disease, but the science of technology, specifically the advancement of the internet.

As the much vaunted, crowning achievement of SCIENCE, the proof that all science is infallible, it is ironic that the internet(and not the R&D) is the major force in medical breakthroughs.

Through information, support groups and communication the people have begun to free themselves from the massive psychological conditioning of the free market medical system.


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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
21. The Internet has been a double-edged sword.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

While being a way to disseminate info to the world, it has also created an army of willfully ignorant people who get their info from pseudo-scientific sources like Food Babe and anti-vaccine and anti-GMO groups.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
24. It's working for the "good"...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jul 2016


...wouldn't you agree?

You do know what 'the good' is, don't you?



.
 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
27. It's not a puzzle.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jul 2016


Better 'public health' is good. How it happened, whether by frankenfood or religious conversion is important ONLY to those who have a vested interest. What's yours...???


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PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
32. I wonder...you might be right.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jul 2016

I keep reading things about how we are more and more beset with chemicals - there are literally hundreds we are exposed to now that have only been developed in the last few years. The brutal capitalistic system that creates inequities, poverty, starvation and pain for so many - you'd think that would RAISE the incidence of disease.

But if you go on the internet there are a lot of things out there that really promote better health, or maybe wellness is a better word.

It really is a mystery, though - the seemingly spontaneous reduction of these diseases.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
44. Clearly, people know what to think of your opinion.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=219075

"Don't forget that on DU2, this poster (YOU) frequently made the statement that those with disease and illness and injury have such disease, illness, and injury because they didn't have enough positive thinking to overcome the disease, illness, or injury. That sickness comes from the mind and negative thoughts, and that illness is often there to teach us a lesson to be more thankful and to think more positively. He believes we create our own reality...if we have HIV, it's because we want to have HIV. If we have traumatic amputations from a car accident, it's because we DIDN'T think enough about NOT having traumatic amputations. If a 2 day old baby suffers 90% burns on their body, it's because the parents (or perhaps the child) needed that burn to happen in order to make their life complete. "

All the links to prove it are in that post.
 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
52. Maybe it IS the "positive thinking".
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jul 2016

And you're just pissed because you have everything invested in ModernMedicine and nothing to show for it. Except, of course, bitter resentment toward those who mock your beliefs. I get that you're not old enough or bright enough to appreciate the power of the mind...you and your posse don't even believe in the power of placebo, so I won't waste my time.

There are thousands of youtube videos filled with evidence if you and the rest of the med-industry were interested.

But you're not. If your only contribution to this discussion is bringing back those old threads then have at it. BTW this part is fabrication:

"...to be more thankful and to think more positively. He believes we create our own reality...if we have HIV, it's because we want to have HIV. If we have traumatic amputations from a car accident, it's because we DIDN'T think enough about NOT having traumatic amputations. If a 2 day old baby suffers 90% burns on their body, it's because the parents (or perhaps the child) needed that burn to happen in order to make their life complete. "




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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
53. I'm just pissed at people who blame victims.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jul 2016

They will always generate a special level of disgust.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
22. Oh I hadn't thought of that one
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

That combined with fewer smokers and less air pollution, makes a lot of sense.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
33. We hardly ever eat red meat these days. Just chicken, turkey and sometimes fish.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jul 2016

Though...we do have bacon now and again. Bacon tastes good.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
19. I would agree with
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jul 2016

the possibility of it being partly because of less smokers and pollution. Though some diseases to be in decline, I wonder about the seeming increase in obesity, diabetes, asthma, and food allergies.

Interesting article.

womanofthehills

(8,779 posts)
63. also increases in liver cancer and kidney cancer
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jul 2016

Liver cancer is increasing in Minnesota (and nationwide)

Liver cancer is increasing in Minnesotans and nationwide. Rates have more than doubled in Minnesota and all racial and ethnic groups are experiencing a significant increase in the risk of developing this cancer.
https://apps.health.state.mn.us/mndata/cancer_liver

as far as kidney cancer goes, new cases are rising but deaths are not rising.

http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/kidrp.html

and the CDC has a different take than this reporter

CDC: US Death Rates Rise for Many Leading Diseases

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/859486

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
73. Liver cancer in the developed world is usually the result of Hep C.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 05:33 AM
Jul 2016

Since Hep C is now an entirely curable illness primary liver cancer cases and the need for liver transplants should fall off a cliff. How quickly will depend on how quickly Hep C patients can be given curative treatments while their livers are still in good working order.

PSA: Boomers need to have a Hep C screening if you haven't had one before, the rate is very high among that demo. It's entirely possible you've been asymptomatic for decades but your liver has been slowly declining since your misspent youth.

WheelWalker

(8,956 posts)
20. Vitamin M...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jul 2016

as more people turn to vitamin M supplements, disease conditions will decline - especially those related to stress disease. IMHO, vitamin M will be recognized, like aspirin, as one of nature's most significant contributions to human health.

WheelWalker

(8,956 posts)
47. I'm talking about cannabis, lol...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016

nothing to do with the article. Just my observation and opinion.

womanofthehills

(8,779 posts)
64. Vitamin M is starting to save Medicare some money
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jul 2016

as seniors turn to pot over opioids - saved $165 million

rurallib

(62,451 posts)
26. Clearly Jesus answering all our prayers
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jul 2016

except maybe those about shooting each other.




do I need this?

Warpy

(111,359 posts)
28. People in wealthy countries are restricting smoking,
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jul 2016

taxing tobacco heavily, and generally discouraging tobacco abuse. This has been working, with fewer teenagers spending the kind of money it takes to get addicted to it and more adults quitting or going to less toxic nicotine delivery like lozenges, gum and e cigs.

People will still continue to die from the big killers, but they'll be dying in their 70s instead of their 50s.

lostnfound

(16,191 posts)
34. Maybe it's because we finally legalized gay marriage so God is rewarding us
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jul 2016

Works for the right wingers, why not us?

bucolic_frolic

(43,311 posts)
35. Changes in diet
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

I think progress has been slow and mostly steady.

We have reduced some things in our intake, and I'm thinking of the
background things that don't point to a specific disease sometimes.

Things like metals. Aluminum cookware is just about gone. Food processes
that had mercury as a byproduct are definitely on the wane. Pesticides
are reduced. Spray those veggies with an acidic soap, and wash. Nitrite
intake is slowing. Dyes are being replaced with natural sources. Intake of
vegetables has increased. Maybe supplements give us more nutrients to
help the body maintain normal function.

The buildup of these things in our bodies tend to concentrate in areas that
don't circulate, or that clean the body of waste.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
38. Unraveling the "whys" will be an interesting process.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jul 2016

It's likely to be a combination of many factors, each with a different level of influence. There may even be synergistic effects.

What would be wild is if there's just one factor responsible for the bulk of the decline.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
40. GEE, PERHAPS BETTER ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE?
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jul 2016

It use to be that THE CAUSE of chronic illness was largely IGNORED. People didn't consciously take responsibility for their health, leading to chronic illness. Then health care picked up at the point where chronic illnesses had advanced in patients. Where it was the most difficult and EXPENSIVE to treat. Even insurance companies had little to worry about because they had tools to exclude customers who developed chronic illnesses. But NOW, everyone has skin in the game at reducing chronic illness, focusing on the underlying cause of chronic illness. Poor eating habits, lack of exercising, smoking and excess alcohol consumption. Now that insurance companies are forced to accept applicants with chronic illness or those that could fall in that direction, these companies for the first time, have self-interest to prop up their health policies with incentives to live a healthy life, prevent chronic illness and attack it in the earliest stages possible where it is cheapest to deal with. With the rise in health insurance premiums, even employers see the benefit in encouraging the employees to stay healthy. It isn't that we are stopping illness from occurring, we are now seeing a dramatic cut in full blown cases of these diseases. We have focused on reducing heart disease, cancer and diabetes and we are now seeing the direct benefits of that campaign. Prevention and early intervention.

WestCoastLib

(442 posts)
46. Reduced smoking, improved vaccines & medicines, reduction of chemicals...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jul 2016

Reduced smoking, improved vaccines & medicines, reduction of dangerous chemicals (no more asbestos in houses, no more lead paint), improved testing of our systems (despite all the bad cases we hear about, i.e. Michigan's water, the reality is that we simply wouldn't have adequately tested or known about this a half century ago), more nutritious diets being taught in schools and promoted on TV/online vs. the "Steak and potatoes" standard of a half-century ago, using sun-screen rather than sun-tan oil (and hell, the ozone layer is beginning to regenerate as well).

There are also countless ways that our lives are less stressful than those of past decades as well, despite what you might think about current times.


Most people come here to talk about political issues, and often to demonize other viewpoints and lament about awful things that happen in the world. But Don't kid yourself, the reality is that every day we are better off than the day before. Most things have gotten much better of the past years and decades and while it's not a straight line, and some things fall behind, other leap ahead. You can't stop the future and, as a species, we adapt and improve as we evolve.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
50. Sometimes it is hard to get the
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

really Big Picture. The decline in some diseases does not mean there isn't an increase in others. It seems that most of the people I know have some sort of chronic condition. I can't say that was true 20 or more years ago. I am referring to people of all ages, not just seniors like myself.

womanofthehills

(8,779 posts)
56. However, this past year was not so good - health failure deaths increased again
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jul 2016

CDC: Heart-Failure–Related Mortality Rate Climbs After Decade-Long Decrease (Jan 2016)

ATLANTA, GA — Although heart-failure–related deaths in the US had a steady decline for more than 10 years, the rate is increasing again, according to a new report from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)[1]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/859486

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
54. There's always the MIC to take up the slack.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

The UN estimated in 1995 that the sanctions had killed over half a million children—“worth it,” in Madeleine Albright’s infamous 60 Minutes assessment—one factor prompting two successive UN Humanitarian Coordinators in Iraq, Denis Halliday and Hans von Sponeck, to resign. Halliday concluded that the sanctions were “criminally flawed and genocidal;” von Sponeck concurred, finding evidence of “conscious violation of human rights and humanitarian law on the part of governments represented in the Security Council, first and foremost those of the United States and the United Kingdom.”

These governments helped reverse Iraq’s rising life expectancy. It climbed “from 44 years in 1950-55 to 63.9 in 1985-90,” Bassam Yousif explains, but “then began to decline with the onset of economic sanctions,” according to Scott Harding and Kathryn Libal. For women, life expectancy plummeted from 65.2 years in 1990 to 60.8 a decade later.

Then the U.S. attacked. The UN noted that “the ongoing conflict in Iraq had a direct effect on its total life expectancy.”


from your link:

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
58. Well, no: life expectancy in the US is up
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jul 2016

There are parts of the US where that's not true, but that doesn't change the actual fact.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
69. True, and completely unrelated to your original claim
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jul 2016

Nobody ever denied that we have lower life expectancy than a lot of western countries. Our life-expectancy tracks with the other rich post-colonial countries, which shouldn't be particularly surprising.

womanofthehills

(8,779 posts)
66. It's the author of this article - she's in with the big boys who want you to think all is well
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jul 2016

Who is Gina Kolata and why does her information differ big time from the CDC.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Gina-Kolata-Dowie6jul98.htm big

womanofthehills

(8,779 posts)
61. Deaths might be down, but CDC says new cancer cases increasing -
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jul 2016
New Cancer Cases.

Between 2010 and 2020, we expect the number of new cancer cases in the United States to go up about 24% in men to more than 1 million cases per year, and by about 21% in women to more than 900,000 cases per year.

The kinds of cancer we expect to increase the most are—

Melanoma (the deadliest kind of skin cancer) in white men and women.
Prostate, kidney, liver, and bladder cancers in men.
Lung, breast, uterine, and thyroid cancers in women.

Over the next decade, we expect cancer incidence rates to stay about the same, but the number of new cancer cases to go up, mostly because of an aging white population and a growing black population. Because cancer patients overall are living longer, the number of cancer survivors is expected to go up from about 11.7 million in 2007 to 18 million by 2020.


http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/cancer_2020.htm

Sounds like more cases of cancer, but people living longer because of treatments.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
68. More cases of cancer assuming the rate holds steady
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jul 2016

Though since the rate has been dropping, rather than holding steady, it's not clear why CDC assumes that.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
74. Cancer rates go up as the population gets older.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 05:37 AM
Jul 2016

People who died young of diseases nobody sees anymore didn't get cancer. It doesn't mean they were healthier, it meant that all the girls who died at age 8 of scarlet fever didn't live long enough to get breast cancer in their late fifties.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
77. So you are posting something the CDC published that was speculation about the future that...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jul 2016

so far hasn't panned out.

Not sure why the CDC predicted this, but you are misrepresenting what's in your link in the title of your post.

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