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https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/sovereign-debt-crisis/banking-panic-in-italy/We have reports from readers in Italy that ATM machines are being emptied. A run on banks is beginning in Italy.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)lovuian
(19,362 posts)ATMS are indicator of a slow run .....if it was a true one people would be in line at the banks
I wonder if Italy will be like Greece?
elleng
(131,140 posts)about as fast as one can get these days!
Italy MIGHT be like Greece, but my concern: ALL of Europe 'like' Greece, as the 'big boys' have dug us/them into a ditch and have no idea how to get out. Keep paying the bondholders, I guess.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Portugal or Italy?
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)elleng
(131,140 posts)brooklynite
(94,745 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)msongs
(67,453 posts)lovuian
(19,362 posts)Panic sets in over Italian banks and investors wonder whether the problem can extend all over Europe. With Brian Jacobsen, Wells Fargo Funds
their down 56%
New rule punishes the bond holders
msongs
(67,453 posts)lovuian
(19,362 posts)The world's oldest bank is in deep trouble.
Shares in Italy's Banca Monte Dei Paschi Di Siena (BMDPF) have crashed 45% in 10 days, forcing regulators to temporarily ban short-selling in the stock. The bank has been given until Friday to come up with a plan to reduce its bad loans by 40% by 2018.
It's not alone. Other Italian bank stocks have fallen by about 30% since June 23, when the U.K. voted to leave the European Union. Italian officials are trying to find ways to shore up the country's financial system.
Prime Minister Matteo Renzi is at risk of losing a vote this fall on constitutional reform. If he does, he may be forced to resign, leading to new elections at a time when Italy's anti-euro party, the Five Star Movement, is gaining ground.
elleng
(131,140 posts)but here's a bit of 'back' story:
Forget Brexit Italy is poised to tear Europe apart.
http://www.businessinsider.com/italys-political-and-economic-crisis-threatens-europes-stability-2016-7
lovuian
(19,362 posts)yes major economic issues going on
elleng
(131,140 posts)the u.s. stock market is not an indicator of the WORLD, especially Europe. Dow is up today.
Johnyawl
(3,205 posts)instability in overseas markets tend to send investors to the US. The wealthy have no loyalty to anything except their money.
All the people rich enough to own stock in wall street banks or google at $700/share are making money. Too bad for the rest of the population trying to scrape together $7 for a dinner after their shift at their second job is over. Woohoo party time!!
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)brooklynite
(94,745 posts)With the exception of this ONE website that cites "we hear" as evidence, no basis whatsoever.
Warpy
(111,358 posts)Deutsche Bank and Barclays are also looking a little shaky these days.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)or be bought out, which is same thing.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Last months vote for Brexit has led to a renewed flare-up of anxiety about the European financial system, and it looks like Italy may be the next European country to face a crisis. Italian banks have about $400 billion in bad loans on their balance sheets, and markets have started to panic. One Italian bank has lost 80 percent of its value over the past year, and observers worry that some banks could be on the verge of collapse.
Italys prime minister, Matteo Renzi, wants to use about $45 billion in Italian taxpayer funds to shore up Italian banks and head off an economic crisis. But his plan runs afoul of European Union rules, which prohibit countries from bailing out their banks without making the banks investors pay first.
This argument assumes that a banks creditors are wealthy, sophisticated financial institutions that understand the risks theyre taking on. But in Italy, that assumption doesnt necessarily hold. According to Bloomberg, 45 percent of Italian bank debt is held by ordinary Italians. That means complying with the EU rules could mean some Italians lose a big chunk of their life savings.
Renzi got a taste of the potential backlash back in December, when the Italian government rescued four banks in accordance with EU rules. Creditors took losses in the process, and one of them was an Italian man who lost $110,000 he had invested in bonds issued by one of the bailed-out banks. The man killed himself, leaving a suicide note criticizing his bank.
Renzi is understandably reluctant to repeat this experiment on a broader scale. So hes been lobbying EU leaders for an exemption from the EUs anti-bailout rules that would allow him to inject cash directly into Italian banks. But European leaders are unconvinced. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the most powerful EU leader, has refused to budge, insisting that it would set a bad precedent to relax the EUs anti-bailout rules just two years after they were overhauled in 2014.
elleng
(131,140 posts)Fear over contagion from Italy's bank meltdown spreads in Europe.
'Contagion is the reason Italys banking crisis is all of a sudden Europes biggest existential threat. Greeces intractable problems are out of sight, out of mind; Brexit momentarily spooked investors and bankers; but Italys banking woes have the potential to wipe out investors and undo over 60 years of supranational state-building in Europe.
The last few days have seen growing calls for taxpayer-funded state intervention, a practice that was supposed to have been consigned to the annals of history by Europes enactment of new bail-in rules on Jan 1, 2016. The idea behind the new legislation was simple: never again would taxpayers be left exclusively holding the tab for European banks insolvency issues while bondholders were getting bailed out. But even before the new rules have been tried out, they are about to be broken, or at least bent beyond all recognition.'>>>
http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/10/contagion-from-italian-banking-meltdown-apart-french-german-banks/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016163175