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Banking panic in Italy? (Original Post) lovuian Jul 2016 OP
So far, being ignored by the corporate media Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #1
I noticed lovuian Jul 2016 #3
ATMs are AT banks, you know, elleng Jul 2016 #12
Well, the question that has been asked was who was next Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #20
So the big people can get their money first. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #4
Looks like some 'here' would like it ignored too. elleng Jul 2016 #9
Right-the "corporate media" never reported on BREXIT, the 2008 bank crisis,..... brooklynite Jul 2016 #11
I am referring to news of runs on banks in Italy Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #18
"we have reports..." but no verifiable or credible proof lol nt msongs Jul 2016 #2
Italian banks in big trouble lovuian Jul 2016 #5
that video is a week old nt msongs Jul 2016 #7
Italy: Europe's next domino to fall? lovuian Jul 2016 #6
I read about this earlier, not sure where, elleng Jul 2016 #8
if everyone noticed the US Stock Market is hitting new highs lovuian Jul 2016 #10
Right, but elleng Jul 2016 #13
It can be an indicator.. Johnyawl Jul 2016 #14
Yep GummyBearz Jul 2016 #17
Is it Monday? nt arely staircase Jul 2016 #15
No? brooklynite Jul 2016 #16
Not surprised, the news is not good Warpy Jul 2016 #19
Deutsche Bank is gonna fall...... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2016 #23
Interesing story here from Vox Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #21
HERE's the article I'd read earlier: elleng Jul 2016 #22

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
3. I noticed
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jul 2016

ATMS are indicator of a slow run .....if it was a true one people would be in line at the banks

I wonder if Italy will be like Greece?

elleng

(131,140 posts)
12. ATMs are AT banks, you know,
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jul 2016

about as fast as one can get these days!

Italy MIGHT be like Greece, but my concern: ALL of Europe 'like' Greece, as the 'big boys' have dug us/them into a ditch and have no idea how to get out. Keep paying the bondholders, I guess.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
5. Italian banks in big trouble
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jul 2016
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000531748

Panic sets in over Italian banks and investors wonder whether the problem can extend all over Europe. With Brian Jacobsen, Wells Fargo Funds

their down 56%

New rule punishes the bond holders

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
6. Italy: Europe's next domino to fall?
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jul 2016
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/06/investing/banks-italy-brexit-crisis/index.html

The world's oldest bank is in deep trouble.

Shares in Italy's Banca Monte Dei Paschi Di Siena (BMDPF) have crashed 45% in 10 days, forcing regulators to temporarily ban short-selling in the stock. The bank has been given until Friday to come up with a plan to reduce its bad loans by 40% by 2018.

It's not alone. Other Italian bank stocks have fallen by about 30% since June 23, when the U.K. voted to leave the European Union. Italian officials are trying to find ways to shore up the country's financial system.

Prime Minister Matteo Renzi is at risk of losing a vote this fall on constitutional reform. If he does, he may be forced to resign, leading to new elections at a time when Italy's anti-euro party, the Five Star Movement, is gaining ground.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
10. if everyone noticed the US Stock Market is hitting new highs
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jul 2016

yes major economic issues going on

elleng

(131,140 posts)
13. Right, but
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jul 2016

the u.s. stock market is not an indicator of the WORLD, especially Europe. Dow is up today.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
14. It can be an indicator..
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jul 2016

instability in overseas markets tend to send investors to the US. The wealthy have no loyalty to anything except their money.
 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
17. Yep
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jul 2016

All the people rich enough to own stock in wall street banks or google at $700/share are making money. Too bad for the rest of the population trying to scrape together $7 for a dinner after their shift at their second job is over. Woohoo party time!!

Warpy

(111,358 posts)
19. Not surprised, the news is not good
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

Deutsche Bank and Barclays are also looking a little shaky these days.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
21. Interesing story here from Vox
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jul 2016
Why Italy could be the next European country to face an economic crisis

In the United States, we view the economic crisis that started in 2008 as something that ended years ago; the story now is the slow pace of recovery. But in Europe, the crisis genuinely hasn’t ended. Greece had a major debt crisis as recently as last year, and Spain is still suffering from an unemployment rate above 20 percent.

Last month’s vote for Brexit has led to a renewed flare-up of anxiety about the European financial system, and it looks like Italy may be the next European country to face a crisis. Italian banks have about $400 billion in bad loans on their balance sheets, and markets have started to panic. One Italian bank has lost 80 percent of its value over the past year, and observers worry that some banks could be on the verge of collapse.

Italy’s prime minister, Matteo Renzi, wants to use about $45 billion in Italian taxpayer funds to shore up Italian banks and head off an economic crisis. But his plan runs afoul of European Union rules, which prohibit countries from bailing out their banks without making the banks’ investors pay first.

This argument assumes that a bank’s creditors are wealthy, sophisticated financial institutions that understand the risks they’re taking on. But in Italy, that assumption doesn’t necessarily hold. According to Bloomberg, 45 percent of Italian bank debt is held by ordinary Italians. That means complying with the EU rules could mean some Italians lose a big chunk of their life savings.

Renzi got a taste of the potential backlash back in December, when the Italian government rescued four banks in accordance with EU rules. Creditors took losses in the process, and one of them was an Italian man who lost $110,000 he had invested in bonds issued by one of the bailed-out banks. The man killed himself, leaving a suicide note criticizing his bank.

Renzi is understandably reluctant to repeat this experiment on a broader scale. So he’s been lobbying EU leaders for an exemption from the EU’s anti-bailout rules that would allow him to inject cash directly into Italian banks. But European leaders are unconvinced. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the most powerful EU leader, has refused to budge, insisting that it would set a bad precedent to relax the EU’s anti-bailout rules just two years after they were overhauled in 2014.

elleng

(131,140 posts)
22. HERE's the article I'd read earlier:
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jul 2016

Fear over contagion from Italy's bank meltdown spreads in Europe.

'Contagion is the reason Italy’s banking crisis is all of a sudden Europe’s biggest existential threat. Greece’s intractable problems are out of sight, out of mind; Brexit momentarily spooked investors and bankers; but Italy’s banking woes have the potential to wipe out investors and undo over 60 years of supranational state-building in Europe.

The last few days have seen growing calls for taxpayer-funded state intervention, a practice that was supposed to have been consigned to the annals of history by Europe’s enactment of new bail-in rules on Jan 1, 2016. The idea behind the new legislation was simple: never again would taxpayers be left exclusively holding the tab for European banks’ insolvency issues while bondholders were getting bailed out. But even before the new rules have been tried out, they are about to be broken, or at least bent beyond all recognition.'>>>

http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/10/contagion-from-italian-banking-meltdown-apart-french-german-banks/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016163175

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