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" The Dallas police chief stepped into America's fierce gun rights debate on Monday when he said Texas state laws allowing civilians to carry firearms openly, as some did during a protest where five officers were killed, presented a growing law enforcement challenge/
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"It is increasingly challenging when people have AR-15s (a type of rifle) slung over, and shootings occur in a crowd. And they begin running, and we dont know if they are a shooter or not," Brown said. "We dont know who the 'good guy' versus who the 'bad guy' is, if everybody starts shooting."
Seeing multiple people carrying rifles led police initially to believe they were under attack by multiple shooters.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-protests-idUSKCN0ZQ0V8
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)There is a theory going around called GMI -Global Mass Insanity.
Good theory, eh?
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Lots of gun violence then. More then, than now, in fact.
Too bad he didn't get ahead of them in the south and take them out before they started shooting. Eh?
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Everyone back then had open carry. That's part of how the civil war started. Looks like GMI is leading us that way again.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)It was just an observation. Yes, open carry is as crazy as hell and is being pushed by the stupid fuckers who want to not only halt societal progress but actually go backwards.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Gawd forbid we take away that right!
Texas: Love it or leave it!
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
We seem to have an ever increasing conflict between rights.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)There is NO comeback to that.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Texas: Love it or leave it!"
And there's the distraught bumper-sticker masquerading as wit we've come to expect. Plumbing the shallow depths of t-shirt wisdom and fortune-cookie acumen makes a cowboy thirsty, I'd reckon.
eppur_se_muova
(36,271 posts)The guy testing his "Second Amendment Rights" to destruction is the first one the police are going to consider it necessary to hold a weapon on, which will make him the one most likely to be shot.
Idiots with guns create dangerous situations. Adding more idiots with guns only makes them more dangerous.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I thought more guns made us more safe.
Guess someone was wrong about that idea.
I mean, really, since this country is pretty much the most armed population out there, we should be the very safest country, yes? What? We're not??? Huh. Can't begin to imagine why.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)And yet, the reason so many people were carrying was because those people were part of a protest expressing the view that the police had lost the confidence of the people to be the sole keepers of lethal force.
Vinca
(50,279 posts)open carry shouldn't be a "thing." The smartest thing to do when you're out shopping and run into one of these "he-men" is to leave the store. Make sure to tell the manager at a later time why you did.
sarae
(3,284 posts)think they can tell a good guy with a gun vs a bad guy with a gun...but they're usually basing this decision on skin color.
Baitball Blogger
(46,743 posts)The whole premise behind the support for the legal carry crowd was that these good guys with rifles would stand and shoot the bad guys with rifles.
What went wrong?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)they were there.
malaise
(269,064 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)Which never happens.
What's the point of the "good guy" carrying if they aren't shooting at the "bad guy" who is shooting and killing people?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)OK, I understand that. Does it apply to the marcher with the AR15 slung over his shouder the same way it does to someone with a hand gun strapped on openly? concealed? And I ask this in the context of the exact situation which existed here, ie. the active shooter picking off as many officers as he could with his rifle.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)The carriers in Dallas did the right thing by leaving the scene as fast as possible.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Taking as a given that everyone should have the right to "bear arms" for self protection, should that right extend to the marcher slinging an AR15 over his shoulder and/or strapping on a hand gun in plain view and/or concealed and participating in a public event where controversy was inherent and tensions running high?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)That said, it is a right- a mostly counterproductive one, IMO- but still a right.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)my question is whether said right extends to AR15 slung over shoulder in these circumstances. Do you have an opinion on that question?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)So what? There's no 'niceness' clause in the Constitution. Even fools like the teabggers have rights
You might want to search the life of one Ernesto Arturo Miranda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Arturo_Miranda
Ya know, this is not the first time I've had to remind you lot of the universality of rights:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=181522#182329
Response to Reply #129
144. Guess what? Civil rights aren't just for "our sort of people"
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:04 AM by friendly_iconoclast
There is a very long history in American jurisprudence of people defending the civil rights of
people they wouldn't have over for dinner. Or who wouldn't have *them* over for dinner.
From John Adams (accused British soldiers in the Boston Massacre), to
the ACLU (Illinois Nazis vs. the city of Skokie), to Sabin Willett (prisoners at Guantanamo).
I wouldn't defend Razzano as a person. I would, however, defend his rights no matter how odious his ideologies.
See: Goose and gander, sauce for.
I'd never OC at a demo, and I'd advise against anyone doing so at an OWS event.
You might have the right to do it, but that does not mean that you *should* do it. Capisce?
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Many Constitutional rights never have been, and never will be, all or nothing propositions and that applies to the First Amendment in several regards. Why should it be different with the Second Amendment?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)if one of those armed civilians had opened fire, in an effort to "catch" the bad guy...how many more people would have died?