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cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts) Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:10 PM Jul 2016

It's kinda funny... "The coup FAILED? IT'S FAKE!" Consider the number of failed coups in history.

If it's a coup, it doesn't necessarily have the support of the general population, and that's why most of them fail in the first place.

False flag? No. Poorly planned and not supported by enough people? Probably.

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It's kinda funny... "The coup FAILED? IT'S FAKE!" Consider the number of failed coups in history. (Original Post) cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 OP

Eh, what kind of Coup wouldn't secure the guy in charge while he was on vacay first? Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #1

Without knowing too much of what has actually happened, SheilaT Jul 2016 #2

In Turkey, which has athena Jul 2016 #10

Trukey does not have the second largetst army, we do. China has the largest, US #2 Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #16

Thanks, mistake corrected. athena Jul 2016 #21

Second largest in NATO n/t malaise Jul 2016 #20

I think a properly planned/supported coup wouldn't take place while the leader was somewhere else. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #3

CNN said that Erdogan said his hotel was bombed after he left Renew Deal Jul 2016 #4

That turned out, at least from some sources, to not be true. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #5

Why would the military bomb his hotel? athena Jul 2016 #11

Does anyone here remember the attempted coup during the waning days of the USSR? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #6

Wow, I remember that! Beartracks Jul 2016 #12

Yes! Thanks for remembering that. SheilaT Jul 2016 #13

I remember the one against Chavez malaise Jul 2016 #15

I remember it well. Coups fail all the time. yardwork Jul 2016 #17

Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #7

Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2016 #14

Exactly. yardwork Jul 2016 #18

You guys are no fun ripcord Jul 2016 #19

Sounds to me like the coup plotters didn't have their shit together. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #8

Or most common secretly started by politicians to weed out their adversaries. dilby Jul 2016 #9

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)

1. Eh, what kind of Coup wouldn't secure the guy in charge while he was on vacay first?

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:12 PM

Jul 2016

I mean, its probably not a false flag, but....

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)

2. Without knowing too much of what has actually happened,

Reply to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:14 PM

Jul 2016

keep in mind that most people are incompetent at what they do. So a failed coup is highly believable.

athena

(4,187 posts)

10. In Turkey, which has

Reply to SheilaT (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:43 PM

Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:51 AM - Edit history (1)

the second largest military in NATO after the U.S.?

We're not talking about some tiny country with a tiny and inept military here.

In any case, those of us who are skeptical are not skeptical only because it failed. There are many things about this "coup" that seem fishy.

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

16. Trukey does not have the second largetst army, we do. China has the largest, US #2

Reply to athena (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:56 AM

Jul 2016

India, Russia, Pakistan...#9 is Trukey.

athena

(4,187 posts)

21. Thanks, mistake corrected.

Reply to Bluenorthwest (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:52 AM

Jul 2016

However, NATO is not a tiny group of powerless countries, so my point still stands.

malaise

(269,054 posts)

20. Second largest in NATO n/t

Reply to athena (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:19 AM

Jul 2016

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)

3. I think a properly planned/supported coup wouldn't take place while the leader was somewhere else.

Reply to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:14 PM

Jul 2016

Arrest him first. Don't give him the opportunity to go on TV/Social Media while it's going on.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)

4. CNN said that Erdogan said his hotel was bombed after he left

Reply to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:27 PM

Jul 2016

Too late I guess

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)

5. That turned out, at least from some sources, to not be true.

Reply to Renew Deal (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:29 PM

Jul 2016

Just another lie from Erdogan.

athena

(4,187 posts)

11. Why would the military bomb his hotel?

Reply to Renew Deal (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:44 PM

Jul 2016

I can understand terrorists bombing his hotel, but if this is the military, why wouldn't they just go in and arrest him?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)

6. Does anyone here remember the attempted coup during the waning days of the USSR?

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:34 PM

Jul 2016

Some bungling members of Soviet parliament attempted to remove Gorbachev. They barely managed two days before giving up. Basically the big winner was Boris Yelstin, who achieved folk hero status for standing up against the coup.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)

12. Wow, I remember that!

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:48 PM

Jul 2016

Hadn't thought about that in years.

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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)

13. Yes! Thanks for remembering that.

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:07 PM

Jul 2016

People are far, far to fast to say something is a false flag event, or planned to fail or some such nonsense. Why can't it just be that these guys got their time wrong, their planning too optimistic? Plus, coups fail, just as Tommy_Carcetti has reminded us.

Hell, just think about all the failed attempts to kill Hitler.

Plus, while I don't actually own a TV, so I'm dependent on going to various news websites to see what they are saying, it's clearly not over at this point. However it will end.

malaise

(269,054 posts)

15. I remember the one against Chavez

Reply to SheilaT (Reply #13)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 05:16 AM

Jul 2016

and how publicly it was welcomed by the Bushies. That too flopped.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)

17. I remember it well. Coups fail all the time.

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:58 AM

Jul 2016

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)

7. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:35 PM

Jul 2016

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)

14. Precisely

Reply to NuclearDem (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 04:55 AM

Jul 2016

Just because someone is leading a coup, don't make 'em smart.....

yardwork

(61,650 posts)

18. Exactly.

Reply to NuclearDem (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:58 AM

Jul 2016

ripcord

(5,409 posts)

19. You guys are no fun

Reply to NuclearDem (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:12 AM

Jul 2016

I enjoy reading the false flag conspiracy threads, and just to fuel those I will mention that the four coups since Turkey joined NATO were all successful.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)

8. Sounds to me like the coup plotters didn't have their shit together.

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:35 PM

Jul 2016

Not the first time this has happened.

dilby

(2,273 posts)

9. Or most common secretly started by politicians to weed out their adversaries.

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:40 PM

Jul 2016

Early reports were the coup was winning so anyone against the Turkish president probably came out of the shadows then bam the coup failed and they have everyone who would have opposed him and his plans.

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