This is extremely huge to say the least.

So far it is all pretty nebulous, but that's how some facts uncover themselves.

LOL! BTW - Dick Cheney visited his buddy, Joe Meyer (future AG of Wyoming) who lived in my parents' basement while in school at Laramie. Does that make me suspect?

Pete Williams has proven himself numerous times to be extremely credible and honorable. Until I see evidence of bias - other than working for someone to earn a living - I will stand by my statement.

He has proven to be a credible and trustworthy journalist.

Oh well.

it's much like referring to Reader's Digest in a debate - I do not consider Wikipedia a credible source and do not find this dispositive. Nice try though.

People who condemn Wikipedia articles have little idea of how well referenced articles are, especially articles on controversial topics. Any changes or additions are typically debated in depth as needed.

If you really read an article and actually think it is mistaken, and have a credible reference to back your point up (not personal recollection), then step in and edit it and include the reference. Even if you get the formatting wrong, editors (like me) will fix it up.

If you actually read the Wikipedia article, which is even-handed, you would see that it points out (in support of you) that

Your observations are noted and will go into my notebook.

You are trying too hard, but that is just my opinion

Independent of Baton Rouge, I was thinking that it's amazing that the sovereign citizen buffoonery has not met with more resistance from law enforcement, which treats it, maybe correctly/maybe not, as something of a joke.

Then I got to thinking what would happen if African-Americans started declaring themselves sovereign citizens. You know full well that law enforcement would declare war on sovereign citizens.

On the flip side, if a police force in some city decided to start using traffic stops to stop white people. Who knows, maybe some of those stops will result in police murders of unarmed white people. Would that have an effect on how police murders are viewed/treated?

Just random thoughts on a hot Sunday afternoon.

I had no idea who these nutcases were......

Those loons had a shootout with police on the side of I40. They fled and had a final shootout in a busy Walmart parking lot.

They are crazy.

Seeing as how the SPLC lists them as a racist, anti-semantic group.

I guess you could argue that there are a few people on this forum that are "anti-semantic" from time to time, but not in a hateful sort of way.

Well, Maybe A Black 'Sovereign Citizen' Will Get People's Attention

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/well-maybe-black-sovereign-citizen-w

there are a lot of people who consider themselves sovereign citizens who aren't aligned with any organized groups. I've seen videos of sovereign citizens interacting with cops, with judges in court, etc and some were black or other PoC.

Read up on the "Moorish Nation" or "Moor Nation" to see one such group.

You won't hear a peep out of Trump and his ilk.

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“...This was not a 'come-at-police' situation,” ...(w)itness Brady Vancel told WAFB... “They weren’t targeting police at first...because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed and then it turned into a gun battle -- I’m guessing to try to get themselves free or get out of the situation.”

You think Trump and his ilk give 2 shits about that dead black cop. He hates black people period.

BLM cause at all. If this is so Fox will drop the story like a hot potato.

Pete Williams was outstanding duirng the Boston marathon bombing.

One wouldn't think that they would try to align themselves with BLM in the first place...

Not that I think SCs would have a problem with the concept of killing cops in principle.

was aligned with the Black Lives Matter movement?

I'm saying that the shooting of police officers, especially after Dallas, is linked in the public mind to BLM.

That may be factually untrue but the public narrative and the facts don't always match.

Joe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028020443

The suspect has been identified as a black male named Gavin Eugene Long of Kansas City, Missouri, sources tell CBS News. He was born on July 17, 1987.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baton-rouge-police-shooting-suspects-information/

Hope it was worth it.

..... being discussed inside the investigation.

1646 EDT

But I know DU would prefer that.

“...This was not a 'come-at-police' situation,” ...(w)itness Brady Vancel told WAFB... “They weren’t targeting police at first...because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed and then it turned into a gun battle -- I’m guessing to try to get themselves free or get out of the situation.”

This was the cops showing up in the middle of a gunfight between two groups.

One of the dead officers is African American.

don't probably care much what color their skin is.

I think that I will wait for another news source. The WAFB link in the Bipartisan Report doesn't even go to WAFB.

Besides, have you seen the junk on their Twitter feed?