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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:18 PM Jul 2016

We have to get to the root cause.

Anyone who carries out an act of violence on a defenseless person or persons, no matter their race, religion, sex...whatever....are doing it because of how they feel.

While we drone on and on discussing the horrible things they do and the reasons why, the specifics about the actions don't get to the root cause. That comes from understanding that these people do not have a secure sense of self. They feel helpless, angry, hopeless, desperate....whatever you want to call those feelings that stem from isolation and disconnection.

If an individual or an organization exploits a person in this state, by using religion or culture as a pathway to inclusion and understanding, they can get them to do anything in the name of that religion or culture.

How do we make sure, as a species, that our fellow human beings never feel isolated or disconnected? That's the only way to truly have peace. I really hope we figure out how to do it because the alternative is just too tragic to face.

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virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
2. To work on the root cause..
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jul 2016

Is much harder, than banning an inanimate object. Even if such a ban would have next to no effect.

To do as you ask (which you are correct by the way) would be effective far beyond any feel good legislation.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
5. Yes I know, that's why we obsess over the inanimate objects.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

There is no learning here, we all know what we need to do but we can't seem to get there. So we distract ourselves.

doc03

(35,348 posts)
6. I think if you put a law up to vote requiring universal background checks it
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jul 2016

easily pass. But getting one through congress is impossible.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
4. Start with this - in 2008, the banksters crashed the global economy. 0 jailed.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jul 2016

Let that sink in....

HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of families and careers and lives shattered forever.
MILLIONS of jobs lost and pension dollars stolen.
BILLIONS of bailout dollars given to banksters as "bonuses" later on.
TRILLIONS of dollars evaporated across the globe.

ZERO leaders held accountable.
ZERO enforcement of the rule of law when it comes to Wall Street.
ZERO price paid by the banksters who presided over this disaster and STILL have their jobs, wealth, and prestige.

You strip away the little bit of remaining dignity of the American people who are struggling on the margins and working longer and harder annually to just keep from drowning - that thin veneer of civility that allows society to function - and you expose a raw nerve that can erupt in violence easier and easier and easier by the day.

There is racial strife, class strife, religious strife and any number of other equally serious issues in America today. I do not mean to denigrate ANY of them, as all who suffer under injustice are entitled to a redress of grievances. But the over-riding fact is that the population is beginning to believe - in fits and starts that are becoming alarmingly more frequent - that the law is a joke, that adherence to it is foolishness. It is unevenly applied by race and class, in fact it does NOT apply to the rich or powerful at all; and that is the first sign of a fraying social contract that cannot be repaired without massive reforms and changes.

Those in power are well aware of this, they simply do not feel threatened by it...yet.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. Even if true we live lives among coalitions, excluding others is part of the dynamic
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jul 2016

that makes ensuring no one gets isolated or disconnected very difficult

Trying to convince people that a life experiences shaped by inconsistent, painful, perhaps even pathological replationships (as in abusive domestic partners or parents) can be fixed with artificial industrialized associations via 'therapies' seems unrealistic.


Avalux

(35,015 posts)
8. Then why should we be horrified by violence and the killing of other people?
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jul 2016

If what I propose can't really be done, then violence is just a part of life. There's no point in all the teeth gnashing if we can't stop it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. Because for the most part we are oblivious to how we contribute to alienation and frustration
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jul 2016

of others.

-WE- view ourselves as innocent and not part of the problem.

And from our point of view, the problem, of course, is in -THEM-. They believe in and do things which encourage isolation, alienation.

What we hope is that they telegraph their alienation so that we put them on lists that deny them access to dangerous things and the rest of us.

Yes, cynical sarcasm but more than a shred of truth, I fear.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. And the teeth gnashing isn't about solving the problem it's mostly about sharing the anxiety
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jul 2016

If we can dump it on someone else, we don't have to carry it around alone.

That ability to unload our burdens onto others is a benefit of not being isolated.

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