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15 Maps Reveal How The World Actually Looks (Original Post) edhopper Jul 2016 OP
peters projection lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #1
that is somewhat more accurate edhopper Jul 2016 #2
"Bias"? What bias? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2016 #3
it's northern hemisphere centric. edhopper Jul 2016 #4
No it's not? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2016 #5
so why is it the standard map used edhopper Jul 2016 #6
You probably mean "geography" Spider Jerusalem Jul 2016 #8
crap edhopper Jul 2016 #10
Hive turrend spiel ckek off... N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2016 #16
zo tru edhopper Jul 2016 #18
Because it's fairly simple and obvious, even though it's misleading ? eppur_se_muova Jul 2016 #12
Mercator's projection has thrived... malthaussen Jul 2016 #9
It's Atlantic-centric. Igel Jul 2016 #15
Bucky Fuller had this covered, long ago ... eppur_se_muova Jul 2016 #7
I really posted this edhopper Jul 2016 #11
Did you know that traditional Chinese maps placed South at the top ? eppur_se_muova Jul 2016 #13
thanks edhopper Jul 2016 #14
What are you projecting? MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #17

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
2. that is somewhat more accurate
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jul 2016

But stretches things out and is inaccurate for far north and south.

Try this

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Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
3. "Bias"? What bias?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jul 2016

That's just silly, there isn't any inherent "bias" in the Mercator projection...yes, it distorts the size of land masses closer to the poles, but that's not to make the Northern Hemisphere countries look larger, it's because that's what happens when you try to flatten a sphere onto a rectangle and keep equidistant lines of latitude and longitude.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
4. it's northern hemisphere centric.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jul 2016

and that is the reason it is in common use and not been exchanged for something more accurate.
Do you think if it showed Europe and N America tiny compared to Africa it would still be used?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
5. No it's not?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jul 2016

It distorts landmasses near the poles equally. There's more land at a higher latitude in the northern hemisphere than in the southern hemisphere. Extreme northern Europe is at around 80 degrees north; by comparison, Tierra del Fuego is only at 54 degrees south (comparable to the latitude of the UK in the Northern Hemisphere) and the southernmost point of Tasmania is at 43 degrees south.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
6. so why is it the standard map used
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jul 2016

if it is so inaccurate?

Anyway, I really didn't post this to indict the "White Man"

Just thought the more accurate Geography was interesting.

Most people do not realize how large Africa is compared to Europe.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
8. You probably mean "geography"
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jul 2016

and it's standard because it has straight and equidistant lines of latitude and longitude (although it's not really "the standard", it's "a standard", I remember having a National Geographic wall map that used the Robinson projection, for instance).

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
10. crap
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jul 2016

I hate the spell-correct on this tablet sometimes. One wrong letter and you get a different word.

Fixed.

eppur_se_muova

(36,269 posts)
12. Because it's fairly simple and obvious, even though it's misleading ?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jul 2016

I remember our fourth grade classroom had a map more like this:


By Strebe - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=35708409

I remember our teacher pointing out that it had less drastic distortion than the Mercator projection. Apparently, even military planners get thrown by Mercator -- in arguing against the Bay of Pigs invasion, one officer pointed out that Cuba looked only about as big as Long Island on the map, but was in reality much larger. He then compared maps of Cuba and Iwo Jima to the same scale and described the horrendous casualties resulting from the battle to capture Iwo Jima from the Japanese. Sadly, not enough people listened to him.

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
9. Mercator's projection has thrived...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jul 2016

... because the shortest distance between two points on one is always a straight line, which simplified navigation immensely back when one had to do all the calculations by hand. Less applicable now, when one has all sorts of electronic assistance.

-- Mal

Igel

(35,320 posts)
15. It's Atlantic-centric.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jul 2016

That claim you can make stick.

On the other hand, a Pacific-centric map has to be off center a bit. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NewZealandEmbassies-PacificCentric.png

The choice of north/south is fairly arbitrary and of fairly late date. Perhaps because printing made the choice necessary once navigation became not getting 100 miles away but 2000 miles away so that maps weren't just little adhoc pieces of geographical description but part of a larger sphere that people would superimpose. Use big map to get to target area, use small map (with same orientation) to find the town and a smaller map to find the street in the town. A standard was necessary, and the printers decide such things. Perhaps because Polaris is "up" in some sense. Perhaps because we right on a horizontal line, so we accept setting maps next to each other but not above and below each other. Or maybe the monk who copied the version Ptolemy's map in the 1200s used by some influential cartographer who had his map printed in the first large run just exerted outsized and incidental influence.

A truly north-centric map would be centered on the north pole, and that makes the Southern hemisphere look yuuuuuge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection#/media/File:Azimuthal_equidistant_projection_SW.jpg

I sometimes like the reverse map of the Earth. We humans can far more easily mentally flip things left-right than we can up-down.

eppur_se_muova

(36,269 posts)
7. Bucky Fuller had this covered, long ago ...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jul 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_map


There have been many variations since. Fuller never intended for there to be a single, "correct" orientation of the map, and designed it to be reconfigured in various ways to illustrate different aspects of the Earth.

Lots of other possibilities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
11. I really posted this
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

because I thought it was cool.

I have removed the cultural reference that became the focus.

eppur_se_muova

(36,269 posts)
13. Did you know that traditional Chinese maps placed South at the top ?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

This despite China being a Northern Hemisphere country. Of course, this was before anyone (except for a few clever Greeks) had any real idea how far away the poles were, so it was a purely arbitrary choice, as was the choice in the West to place North at the top. Either one worked equally well at the time, but it was helpful to have everyone following the same convention.

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