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Cary

(11,746 posts)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:13 PM Jun 2012

The Root of Mitt Romney's Comfort With Lying

A few months ago, when confronted about running an ad that depicted President Obama discussing the economy — when he was actually quoting John McCain — Mitt Romney said, “What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.” I have previously suggested that the ability to disconnect words from authorship has made changing positions even easier for Romney.

But this pattern of lying and not acknowledging it, even when confronted directly, has persisted and led me to look for other sources of Romney’s behavior and of his clear comfort with continuing it. I think much of this comfort stems from his Mormon faith.

Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2012/06/13/the-root-of-mitt-romneys-comfort-with-lying/#ixzz1xhbKNoaC

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JHB

(37,162 posts)
1. It's not the Momonism per se (as Frank notes in the article), it's the faith-over-evidence mentality
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:22 PM
Jun 2012

Don't know if it is actually what is going on with Romney (an alternative view would be it's his old Bain schtick: say whatever you need to to get inside the door, then once you're in loot the place).

Where I have seen this before is with Creationists.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
2. Thom Hartmann is discussing this right now.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jun 2012

He doesn't think it's Mormonism either. He thinks Romney is a sociopath, albeit a high functioning one. Thom points out correctly that the same cognitive dissonance can be found in every religion.

I confess that I posted this more in order to post something pointing out that Mitt Romney is in fact a liar, because Mitt Romney is in fact a liar.

EC

(12,287 posts)
3. When he says
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jun 2012

“What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.” he's suggesting that Obama is lying about him, so it's justified for him to lie...the only thing about that is...Obama isn't lying, so his justification, however juvenile it is, is just wrong. I don't think it has anything to do with his faith or just seeing things differently skewing the real truth into what he sees as truth. I think HE KNOWS HE'S LYING AND SIMPLY DOESN'T CARE.


And the next time he uses that damn sauce for the gander bull crap, I wish one of the pundits would just ask when Obama lied therefore giving his statement some actual meaning.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
5. Probably true IMHO.
Reply to EC (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:39 PM
Jun 2012

One can't know for sure of course.

Does a sociopath know that they are lying?

Cary

(11,746 posts)
12. I am not so sure but please understand I am not letting him off the hook here.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 06:15 PM
Jun 2012

Lying is a slippery slope. The sociopath has rationalized their lying. I think it's true that somewhere they know they lie, but as a sociopath with no empathy they have convinced their self that they are the only one that matters.

How can you tell a lie to one that does not matter?

The sociopath is a sick person.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
7. Oh, dear, I am slow.
Reply to EC (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jun 2012

For the life of me I couldn't understand what he (Romney) meant. His "sauce for the goose" made no sense until now (that you've explained it). I thought he was trying to use it to say he wasn't lying and it just didn't work for me no matter how hard I tried to spin it.

Thanks for enlightening me. It makes perfect sense now. Yeah, I know, I know. I'm slow.

surrealAmerican

(11,364 posts)
11. He deliberately cloaked his accusation (or counter-accusation)...
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jun 2012

... in a "folksy" metaphor for this very reason. A large number of people won't quite parse his meaning, and, should somebody call him out on it, he can insist that this was not what he meant, even though there is no other meaning.


He's a particularly slimy salesman, isn't he?

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
13. He really is a slimy salesman.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jun 2012

I didn't expect him to justify his lie. The worst I expected was for him to deny it.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
4. He can't even get the phrase right........
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:37 PM
Jun 2012

I have never heard of "what's SAUCE for the goose is SAUCE for the gander". I have only heard "what's good for the goose is good for the gander".

MADem

(135,425 posts)
6. My favorite line in that link!!!
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jun 2012
The Chicago Tribune headline “Romney Hits the Sauce Again” implied that you can be a teetotaler and still behave with the certainty of a drunk.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
8. This is a head-scratcher.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:36 PM
Jun 2012

My brother married into Mormonism and spouts all the Mormon nonsense. I'm not sure if he actually believes the stuff, or is just lying to himself. I suppose that makes a difference.

FreeState

(10,584 posts)
14. There is a difference between taking things with faith and lying
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 07:04 PM
Jun 2012

another day another bigoted article. My family is LDS and the notion that they are comfortable lying because they rely on their faith when answers don't fit makes them lier is appalling and bigoted. All faiths do this.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
15. I hear you and I agree.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jun 2012

I have heard that The Noble Lie is part of the LDS theology. Of course they did not invent that idea.

Personally I have a problem with any fundamentalist of any faith.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
18. That's not true, other faiths looks for answers and don't just make things up...there are PEOPLE
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jun 2012

...who'll make shit up but not the faiths themselves.

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