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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:09 AM Jul 2016

I am glad that the DNC pulled Nina Turner from the speaker's list. She has said that she will

support Jill Stein. She also spoke of shutting down the convention. If you know that someone will pull a Ted Cruz, then you nip it in the bud. Something has come unhinged with Nina. Opposition is okay but craziness is unacceptable. Speakers are recognizing Bernie and the power of his candidacy, but it is time to move on during the convention. If she wants to continue the movement he started, that is good, but being petty is unacceptable.

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I am glad that the DNC pulled Nina Turner from the speaker's list. She has said that she will (Original Post) mfcorey1 Jul 2016 OP
When I heard she was out, I knew there was more to the story liberal N proud Jul 2016 #1
I respect her but her intent is what was questioned. When she has the spot on any news show, mfcorey1 Jul 2016 #2
That is why I have never liked her. She goes way out there. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #41
The DNC has been tiptoeing lately. Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #3
Enough of that rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #12
Purge! Hissyspit Jul 2016 #16
Necessary rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #17
LOL Hissyspit Jul 2016 #21
Yeah there is a test rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #25
That's such bullshit... We have crazy primaries all over glowing Jul 2016 #33
It's not bulllshit rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #34
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #37
Thank you! KPN Jul 2016 #49
+50,000 klook Jul 2016 #26
False equivalence for the win rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #35
The far Left would run this country, they tell us, if it weren't for that pesky "democracy." BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #47
'far Left' melman Jul 2016 #62
Say what???? KPN Jul 2016 #57
I'll meet that and raise it ... +100,000! KPN Jul 2016 #55
More accurately, "I guess some folks are ok with party platforms..." LanternWaste Jul 2016 #69
A democrat isn't a green Politicub Jul 2016 #42
Well, that I can agree with, but some of the stuff spouted upthread ... KPN Jul 2016 #58
Sounds like she purged herself by saying she wouldn't support the nominee? Drunken Irishman Jul 2016 #44
I was referring to this comment: Hissyspit Jul 2016 #46
.... KPN Jul 2016 #56
I supported Bernie in the primaries, send me to the Gulag, Comrade! Odin2005 Jul 2016 #23
Not as long as you support our nominated candidate rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #28
You betcha! redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #32
Hillary's not even centrist, Turin_C3PO Jul 2016 #38
True rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #40
You aren't even worth talking to. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #50
Welcome to the looney left! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #70
Yeah, you are still useful Odin! KPN Jul 2016 #64
What are you gonna prune? KPN Jul 2016 #53
There have been many Democrats that have aggressively supported Bernie and attacked Hillary. Trust Buster Jul 2016 #4
I've also noticed that she has seemingly departed from the side of Bernie himself. 4lbs Jul 2016 #5
Anyone who booed Bernie falls into this category wryter2000 Jul 2016 #45
It's all about her at this point. If she is advocating for a third livetohike Jul 2016 #6
It was ALWAYS all about her rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author klook Jul 2016 #27
Bull puckey rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #30
If he is a DU member. stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #36
Elect Patrick Murphy Motley13 Jul 2016 #61
So all a politician has to do GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #68
If she supports Stein her career in the Democratic party is over book_worm Jul 2016 #7
You Are Correct. Cheviteau Jul 2016 #9
The Name "Cynthia McKinney" Immediately Jumps to Mind Here for Some Reason... The_Counsel Jul 2016 #31
true that Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #13
+1, it sounds like a temper tantrum uponit7771 Jul 2016 #15
I have been a long-time follower of her BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #8
She needs to be kicked out of the party entirely rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #10
She and her coalition are courting the Greens. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #14
I think the key is that she is a FORMER Senator ToxMarz Jul 2016 #18
Glad she's gone. Paladin Jul 2016 #19
Meanwhile MSM is giving her play..... Historic NY Jul 2016 #20
Imagine that. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #24
That's really disappointing, I liked her and I didn't expect her to be a "Bernie-or-Bust" idiot. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #22
She's an attention junkie who couldn't get re elected redstateblues Jul 2016 #29
I'm not convinced it was the DNC that made that decision. The Sanders campaign sufrommich Jul 2016 #39
I believe I heard yesterday that Sanders told her she was not going on. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #43
Yep, she didn't know when to stop railing against everything. Fla Dem Jul 2016 #48
I'm not. LWolf Jul 2016 #51
Her family needs to stage an intervention. She has gone bonkers. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #52
On Sunday, Nina Turner told Jill to her face that... Blue State Bandit Jul 2016 #54
Nina Turner & Jill Stein At People's Convention mfcorey1 Jul 2016 #60
Thanks. As I said. Blue State Bandit Jul 2016 #63
The Democratic Convention is to support Democrats and the Democratic nominee. Bernie not only still_one Jul 2016 #59
Can anyone here at DU verify the exact reason Nina Turner is no longer on the speakers list? KPN Jul 2016 #65
Punishment. There will be more. JEB Jul 2016 #66
Turner is a political opportunist who hitched her wagon to Sanders stopbush Jul 2016 #67

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
1. When I heard she was out, I knew there was more to the story
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:15 AM
Jul 2016

You can't let those types of people make headlines in the middle of your convention.

Don't care if a few Bob's were upset.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
2. I respect her but her intent is what was questioned. When she has the spot on any news show,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:22 AM
Jul 2016

she just about loses control. If she and her followers want to hand the election to Donald Trump by campaigning against Hillary, so be it. But, they will have the blood of millions of Americans on their hands. That's the way I see it.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
41. That is why I have never liked her. She goes way out there.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:54 AM
Jul 2016

And besides why was she getting so much face time. She was state senator serving only 6 years.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
3. The DNC has been tiptoeing lately.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jul 2016

You can bet that they would have not pulled her from speaking if it wasn't serious.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
17. Necessary
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:21 AM
Jul 2016

We have been infiltrated by crazy radicals in Free Mumia! T shirts.

These people weren't democrats before it was convenient to be democrats. And I mean that about a certain Vermont senator too.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
21. LOL
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jul 2016

I love how you know who is a Democrat and who isn't.

There are no tests or oaths.

I have an idea. Let's call up Erdogan. He's good at purges. Maybe he can help.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
25. Yeah there is a test
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jul 2016

Do you undermine democratic candidates who have been duly elected and nominated?

If so, you're no democrat.

Defend her all you want. She's a joker and a fool. There is no "revolution." Being "radical" doesn't make you "progressive."

I'd say supporting Jill Stein after the last few days makes a very clear test of who is the enemy.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
33. That's such bullshit... We have crazy primaries all over
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jul 2016

Dems attacking Dems... Please, unity only occurs during 1week very 4 yrs. otherwise, it's hear sing cats.

I wish we would adopt a parliament! Then we could have better representation and more parties.

Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #34)

klook

(12,157 posts)
26. +50,000
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jul 2016

... the no. of opponents to whom Erdogan has said, "You're fired."

I guess some folks are ok with purity tests after all.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
35. False equivalence for the win
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016

Bullshit.

Erdogan is purging people from a position of state power.

We are talking about a private political party. You don't have free speech in a private institution. You don't have guaranteed rights to dissent and mess things up and shout down elected officials.

Typical leftist demagoguery. It's the far left who wants to shout down its opponents and purge people who fail to meet THEIR ridiculous purity tests.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
47. The far Left would run this country, they tell us, if it weren't for that pesky "democracy."
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jul 2016

Turns out that insulting your allies worse than your enemies has made the far Left rather unpopular among their allies. Who could have guessed??

KPN

(15,646 posts)
57. Say what????
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jul 2016

We've privatized democracy?? There are two viable parties only, at least on the national stage. So now some believe that you gotta keep your mouth shut or be banished from either/or. My, we've come a long way!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
69. More accurately, "I guess some folks are ok with party platforms..."
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016

More accurately, "I guess some folks are ok with party platforms..."

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
42. A democrat isn't a green
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jul 2016

Even though we have much in common, it would be the height of absurdity to showcase a plea to vote for an opponent at a party's convention.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
58. Well, that I can agree with, but some of the stuff spouted upthread ...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jul 2016

sounds a lot like Trumpism to me.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
46. I was referring to this comment:
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jul 2016

"After this convention it's time to do some pruning."

I don't know what happened with Turner.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
28. Not as long as you support our nominated candidate
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jul 2016

in the general.

The primary is over. Which side are you on?

Black Bloc/Free Mumia childish anarchists and wannabe "revolutionaries" need to form their own party. What we have seen here is a successful infiltration of the Democratic Party by people who don't care about democracy. They lost an election and can't accept that millions of people chose the centrist candidate? Then they are not worth a bucket of poop.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
32. You betcha!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jul 2016

I've been a Democrat for 42 years and there are people on this board who want to tell me I am NOT a Democrat if I don't like a candidate that has been a Democrat for a year and a half. I would have supported that candidate had he been selected by my party.

I predict a lot of these people who are trying to demonize people who have sustained this party for a long time will leave the party and not work for down ticket candidates much less the proud woman at the top of our ticket.

Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
38. Hillary's not even centrist,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jul 2016

with the exception of foreign policy. She's pretty much to the left on most issues. Her and Bernie aren't super far apart ideologically. Its more about methods, imo.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
40. True
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jul 2016

I'm falling into the loony left's silly scheme.

Hilary is progressive as hell. If elected she will be among our most progressive presidents ever.

As opposed to the Bro-aggressives. Thanks for the reminder.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
70. Welcome to the looney left!
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:13 AM
Jul 2016

Bernie and Hillary are together now and have crafted the most progressive platform in D history. Are you on board with Bernies "looney left" positions now that Hillary is on board with them?

KPN

(15,646 posts)
64. Yeah, you are still useful Odin!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jul 2016

Geesh, some people. Can you please tone it down rjsquirrel? Nina Turner's been sidelined ... and maybe she deserves it, I don't really know because I haven't been paying attention to her. Maybe she doesn't deserve it? I don't know that either. If she has been saying to the public, the media or Party officials that she won't vote for Hillary but will vote for Jill Stein instead, then sidelining her seems reasonable. But some of the stuff you are saying frankly strikes me as not a lot different from Trumpism. The Party's been infiltrated "by people who don't care about democracy"? Really? You have the corner on that judgement? You know how long all of these people have been members of the Party? Really?

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. There have been many Democrats that have aggressively supported Bernie and attacked Hillary.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:38 AM
Jul 2016

But, the majority of those Democrats understand where the line cannot be breached. Turner is not one of them. She continues to threaten to burn down the house. The people in that house will rightfully not allow her on the property in the future.

4lbs

(6,858 posts)
5. I've also noticed that she has seemingly departed from the side of Bernie himself.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jul 2016

Anyone notice that after the convention began on day one, the two haven't been seen together at all?

She doesn't mention Bernie as much as she used to either, but talks solely about "political revolution".

It appears she is trying to co-opt the movement from Bernie and deliver it to the hands of Jill Stein.

Fortunately, the more sane Bernie supporters are not following.

Only a very small percentage of Bernie supporters will leave with her.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
45. Anyone who booed Bernie falls into this category
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:13 AM
Jul 2016

It was absolutely right to remove her from the list. I'm sure Bernie agreed.

livetohike

(22,145 posts)
6. It's all about her at this point. If she is advocating for a third
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jul 2016

party, then she has no place on the Democratic stage.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
11. It was ALWAYS all about her
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jul 2016

That's the joke of many extremists on left and right. She's like Sarandon and West and Grayson and so many other idiots we've allowed to use the left to make themselves famous.

She is not with the people. She's with Nina. And she's willing to see Presidendt Trump, so screw her.

Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #11)

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
30. Bull puckey
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jul 2016

A) his "DU" account is not actually him

B) have you read the news about him lately? He's a wife beating hedge fund manager who hides his millions in the Caymans and he is just about drummed out of his primary because of what just came out.

To top it off he practically attacked a reporter who asked him about it Tuesday.

Lots of DU members know and say he is a bully, and a creep, and has zero legislative accomplishments. All he has is a big mouth, and some people like that.

I'll trash men who hit their wives all day long. Go ahead and alert on me.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
68. So all a politician has to do
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016

Is join DU an we can no longer trash them? Might want to rethink that.

Cheviteau

(383 posts)
9. You Are Correct.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jul 2016

This articulate woman had a great chance of a long career in politics...she has now s**t in her mess kit. It's sad to see such talent drop away from our party. Nina will be a young "has-been" within 2 months.

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
31. The Name "Cynthia McKinney" Immediately Jumps to Mind Here for Some Reason...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:03 AM
Jul 2016

"Wasted talent," as the Bronx Tale saying goes.

Sad.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
8. I have been a long-time follower of her
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:49 AM
Jul 2016

as a progressive "firebrand".

However I am seeing more and more, where in some cases the "firebrands" (like her and Cynthia McKinney) get pulled further and further into the fringe, which often results in a self-inflicted wound to their credibility.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
14. She and her coalition are courting the Greens.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:16 AM
Jul 2016

They should be stripped of their credentials. They are obnoxious trolls at this point.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
18. I think the key is that she is a FORMER Senator
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:27 AM
Jul 2016

She doesn't have a job. This is all she's got. What else is she going to do, and her behavior is being rewarded with national media coverage. It's more attention than she ever got while in office.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
39. I'm not convinced it was the DNC that made that decision. The Sanders campaign
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jul 2016

is staying silent about her removal,I think there's a reason for that.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
51. I'm not.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jul 2016

I was looking forward to hearing her; she's always worth the time to listen. I would rather have heard her than some.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
52. Her family needs to stage an intervention. She has gone bonkers.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jul 2016

The more irrelevant she becomes, the more relevant she thinks she is.

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
54. On Sunday, Nina Turner told Jill to her face that...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jul 2016


she was a Democrat and will remain one. They were both at Arch St. Meeting House and did not speak to each other aside from a cordial momentary greeting. Then the DNC pulled her from the convention.

The DNC is creating martyrs of Sanders supporters, with every dig and every disrespectful comment (crazy/petty). Every time a Hillary surrogate speaks of how she will flip on the commitments she made to Sanders (Tim Kaine on TPP), or how he never should have been allowed to run, or that they are working for tRump.

This is a bed of the party's own making, and the more it is denied, and the persecution of those who speak out about it continues, polls will tank and the Democratic party will be the third party.


still_one

(92,219 posts)
59. The Democratic Convention is to support Democrats and the Democratic nominee. Bernie not only
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

endorsed Hillary, but asked his supporters to follow suit.

This is all on Nina Turner for deciding not to support the Democratic nominee

The vast majority of Bernie supporters not only will vote for Hillary, but will work within the Democratic party to push the issues they strongly believe in.



KPN

(15,646 posts)
65. Can anyone here at DU verify the exact reason Nina Turner is no longer on the speakers list?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jul 2016

Seems to me like a lot of conjecture.

As a former Bernie supporter, when I hear people say it's time to move on, in part what I am hearing from some folks posting here is Bernie's agenda lost so drop it and get on board, or get lost. THAT ... is what sounds like a PURGE.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
67. Turner is a political opportunist who hitched her wagon to Sanders
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jul 2016

in a shameless attempt to boost her own visibility and bona fides. She supported Hillary early on, but she realized that doing so would gain her no media time. What media outlet was going to interview a D-lister like her when Hillary had more high-profile surrogates than you could shake a stick at?

By aligning with Sanders, she became an instant A-lister, one of the few D politicians willing to back his campaign. Unfortunately, the media time exposed her to be a horrible, horrible surrogate for Sanders, while also doing lasting damage to her own public image.

Put a fork in her, because she's done. She'll probably seek the Green Party presidential nomination in 2020.

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