He didn't just try to out shout. He didn't scream. He pushed for change by voting. Those screamers don;t care if Trump wins. Their lives won;t change one bit. They have never faced diversity.

Most politicians get where they are by being a politician. John Lewis got where he is by being a hero.

You don't think that stuff does harm? Makes no impression on him (though it's hardly the worst he's heard) and those who might follow in his footsteps? You don't take it seriously?

I would say to some, stop excusing the rudeness of these disruptors, toward a great man

They have no manners or respect. It doesn't matter WHO it was.
Screaming kids having tantrums .

wouldn't have mattered to these children if it had been Jesus Christ himself.
disgusting display beyond words.

Spies....under the radar for purpose of disruption....Many came from Caucus states and OPEN election states....just speculation of course...It would be interesting to determine if it's just our outer left fringe or trolls. ...Or, just evolution.

and I'm convinced these are NOT real democrats but rather people who want to disrupt the party.

GO HILLARY!!!!

I don't see the motivation for unpaid trolls....For one to attend and disrupt, insult other leaders and Democrats just for shits and giggles???? Too expensive...so, I lean towards paid trolls.

I know that there are paid troll shops who's main function is to disrupt the party.

Agent Provocateur.

whose actions are only helping the don.

...who are not Democrats.

The difference between business as usual.

Covered over with a big well produced show and actually progressive populist change.

The Sanders /Warren wing of the Democratic party

in repeating tired worn-out jargon and catchphrases. And confuse the posting of false Internet Memes w forming coalalitions for change within the big tent that is the Democratic Party.

I highly doubt they are sincere in their cause if they are targeting black leaders who have little or nothing to do with what they are shouting about

directed toward personalities and not issues. What was being "shouted?" None of it was about Lewis...it was about being ignored or not heard or being rejected ...but not abut Lewis.

Look at the venue.

It was msnbc's outdoor pavillion. It wasn't inside the convention center. Nobody in the background has credentials around their neck. These are just tourists.

The hecklers could have been anyone posing as dems or bob's. Inside the hall you have to be a delegate or have credentials. Outside not so much.

then you lost all my respect.

We'll appreciate having another voice around here!

A white lady yelling and screaming in the background. I looked closely and could see her visually between Tamron and Rep. Lewis after she moved away from some African-American audience members.

She was soon shouted down by other audience members after John Lewis began talking about his civil rights struggle, and said he did not get angry. An obvious dig at her.

She soon walked away, and John Lewis' statements concluded with a rousing applause from the audience.

I just can't excuse anyone, especially a "Democrat", shouting at John Lewis. Even if you disagree, that man deserves respectful interaction. When a man faces down threats, dogs, waterhoses and everything else hate has to throw at him, he deserves never to be shouted at by his "friends."

the protestors were maybe 2 or 3 people and may not have even been dems.

This was a public space, not inside the convention hall.

The clip I saw did not share the venue...

I have a soft spot for Mr. Lewis and didn't like what I saw.

It doesn't get out a message, it doesn't garner the respect THEY want, and it alienates important people who could give them some real help in meaningful protest.

they are republican trouble makers. So any negative impact is positive for them if it appears they were disaffected dems.

You were inferring I was saying they were dem trolls. It makes sense if you assume they were republicans.....

But really, what do I know. We're all projecting and guessing and assuming until we get facts, as people do.

That he should be subject to blatant disrespect from a very few infuriates me. Pathetic, petty, misguided little morons.

This is a man who holds his head high--has been through so much-- that anyone should disrespect him is beyond me.

Despicable

this man has done for this nation, has been through and to have these guys who have no idea what it was like living through the Bush administration makes me sick to my stomach

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aspersions on Sanders' civil rights pedigree. (Sanders was also arrested in the 60s as a member of CORE). Lewis made those initial comments on the eve of the South Carolina Democratic Primary when the question of whether Sanders could generate cross-over appeal was very much at issue.

Lewis subsequently walked back the negative implications of his initial comments by saying that there were many civil rights activists who contributed mightily and whom he did not meet. I always thought Lewis' walk back was very eloquent. I hope he and Bernie will eventually be able to sit down every now and then to have a drink and rehash old times. The combined contributions of the two in history make my own paltry efforts seem but a tiny pinprick in the cosmic fabric.

that message you replied to was deleted. It wasn't a personal attack, and wasn't bashing Democratic figures. It was just drawing a line from a past moment in time to the present. I'm with her and all that, but man, the suppression of even mildly non-lockstep thought here lately is depressing.

Are Clinton supporters following him around heckling him?

Doubt he's going to read this.

who are very new to real politics and who lack a sense of history. They don't know who John Lewis is. They don't know who anyone from the past is, really, unless their names came up in their high school history classes. They don't know history. So, they're starting from scratch with their support of a candidate who failed to get the nomination.

They shout at John Lewis because he is a supporter of the candidate who won the nomination. Their issues have nothing to do with John Lewis's long civil rights history as a deeply respected leader. They simply don't know who he is and don't care. He's just an old man who is a Clinton supporter, as far as they are concerned.

It's a crying shame that they don't know and that they don't care. It's shameful, really, that they were not educated about history well enough to know. It wasn't that long ago, really, but that history is irrelevant to many of those who are only recently interested in actual political realities.

They're angry and they have no clue about how to express that anger in a way that gets results. So, they shout because there is a TV camera on. They don't know John Lewis and have no interest in knowing him. There's a live camera broadcasting and they are there, so they shout their anger.

It's very sad.

A few went to about 1960, with Martin Luther King and his "I Have a Dream" speech appended at the end. Vietnam consisted of "well, we lost."

Even if a high school course did attempt to cover post-WW2, at best it was 2-3 days that the teacher had at the end of the school year because said teacher had rushed through earlier content.

I had to seek out on my own the history of stuff that happened between that point and the time I was born.

My mom's history classes ended at the end of WW2 as well.

I suppose the arc of history grows longer, but the school year does not.

Of course to fix this we would need to vote for local politicians who are comfortable with raising taxes a bit to pay for a longer school year. Individual efforts to reach young people and fill in the gaps in their education won't reach everyone, though when someone around me displays historical ignorance I certainly try.

ETA: Even though I tried to self-educate myself on what happened after my history/civics education ended, I still did not learn about John Lewis until reading about him during my early days at DU (around 2003ish).

Either way, screaming at either is totally inappropriate.

I do not condone the disrespect, but you have to understand that John Lewis disrespected Bernie Sanders when he said in March 2016 , that he did not know Bernie, and that he never saw him in the civil rights marches. Yet when you look at history photos, Bernie was marching with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. That is why Bernie's supporters showed disrespect to John Lewis. I was angry myself when John Lewis said that, and I lost my respect for him. I now got it back when he staged the civil rights sit in on the floor of the congress.

I have never seen a "history photo" such as you describe.

Sanders attended the "March on Washington" speech, and was standing way, way distant from the podium, but he wasn't photographed at that event and he didn't "march with King."

If you have a photo we want to see it.

of "hiding" . I've been a member for many years but stopped posting years ago,for no particular reason. But I continued to read through most threads at least once a day.

I'm a white, middle-aged social studies teacher. I teach in an urban middle school that has a white population of under 7%. Although it is not in my curriculum, I spend a little over two weeks (during February, of course) trying to impress upon my kids the importance of the civil rights movement. Through the years, the more I learned of John Lewis the more respect I gained for him. He is an icon, a hero.....my hero. Those "kids" couldn't shine his shoes.

And while I'm at it, the shouting and screaming over Rep. Cummings on Monday was a sad disgrace. Opposition to TPP is one thing (although I have to question how many of them even know what the TPP is), but blatant disrespect to the these civil rights heroes makes me question their true motives.

They were rude and obnoxious and deserve zero attention.

My only regret every time I see John Lewis during this convention coverage is that we aren't allowed to see this man's incredible true personality. I saw him speak years ago when he was not being interviewed by some tv person or other, and he was so delightful and funny and such a wonderful story teller! He had us all laughing and crying and wishing that he would give all the speeches from there on in.

I have said often I would have voted for him if he were the nominee of my party, and I would have done that. The booing of civil rights heroes makes me crazy. I know Bernie is trying to put out the fire, but I think he has said so much negative stuff about her it can't be fixed with those first time political participants. They are stomping their feet and throwing a fit. Taking selfies to show on social media of them being "protesters".

Makes me nauseated.