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FrodosPet

(5,169 posts) Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:41 PM Jul 2016

Just Because E-Cigs Are Better For You Doesn't Mean They're Healthy

Just Because E-Cigs Are Better For You Doesn't Mean They're Healthy

http://www.wxyz.com/newsy/just-because-ecigs-are-better-for-you-doesnt-mean-theyre-healthy

By Grant Suneson | 6:25 PM, Jul 27, 2016

If you're one of the estimated 9 million Americans who regularly uses electronic cigarettes, we've got some bad news for you.

Researchers from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory examined the chemicals that you're actually ingesting when you vape. The results showed that e-cigarettes can carry many of the same risks as regular combustible cigarettes.

Researchers found that 31 different toxic chemicals are present in e-cigarette vapor. Like regular cigarettes and tobacco products, many vapor products contain chemicals that can cause cancer.

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A press release for the study read in part: "Advocates of e-cigarettes say emissions are much lower than from conventional cigarettes, so you're better off using e-cigarettes … but the problem is, it doesn't mean that they're healthy. Regular cigarettes are super unhealthy. E-cigarettes are just unhealthy."

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Let the accusations that I am a tobacco industry shill trying to ban e-cigs begin in 5...4...3...

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Just Because E-Cigs Are Better For You Doesn't Mean They're Healthy (Original Post) FrodosPet Jul 2016 OP

I switched to vaping a couple of years ago. leftofcool Jul 2016 #1

Show me anyone saying vaping is healthy and then make this point. Since no one makes Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #2

i personally know several people who insist it's pure nicotine and zero second-hand problems unblock Jul 2016 #4

"they acknowledge that nicotine addiction isn't a good thing" Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #9

They're better for you? Says who? Initech Jul 2016 #3

You gotta love "research" findings: "can carry" or "can cause". nt jonno99 Jul 2016 #5

Anyone who knows nicotine's effects on body systems knows that Warpy Jul 2016 #6

Who has put forth the premise that they are in fact, healthy? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #7

Hands off my vapes superpatriotman Jul 2016 #8

I am a cancer survivor TBA Jul 2016 #10

Switched to vape 5 years ago grubbs Jul 2016 #11

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)

1. I switched to vaping a couple of years ago.

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:50 PM

Jul 2016

I was a light smoker but now I feel better, run faster, hike farther than ever before. I can also control the amount of nicotine I am getting. Of course vaping is not healthy, but cigs are worse. I can not disagree with the article.

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

2. Show me anyone saying vaping is healthy and then make this point. Since no one makes

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:52 PM

Jul 2016

that assertion the argument seems sort of silly. The argument made is that they are less harmful, and this article does not contradict that.

unblock

(52,253 posts)

4. i personally know several people who insist it's pure nicotine and zero second-hand problems

Reply to Bluenorthwest (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:59 PM

Jul 2016

they acknowledge that nicotine addiction isn't a good thing, but they insist that there are no other problems for them and also no problems at all for anyone around them.

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

9. "they acknowledge that nicotine addiction isn't a good thing"

Reply to unblock (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:18 PM

Jul 2016

So again, they don't claim it's healthy. Also, by the way, nicotine is an optional addition to vaping and pure nicotine is a toxin, no one ever uses pure nicotine for pleasure.

So they don't sound like the sharpest blades in the butcher block but they also didn't say 'vaping is healthy' but rather 'isn't a good thing'. The argument in the OP is a man of straw.

Wednesday August 19 2015
"E-cigarettes are 95% less harmful than tobacco and could be prescribed on the NHS in future to help smokers quit," BBC News reports.

This is the main finding of an evidence review carried out by Public Health England, a government agency that aims to protect and improve the nation's health and wellbeing, and reduce health inequalities.
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/08August/Pages/E-cigarettes-95-per-cent-less-harmful-than-smoking-says-report.aspx

Initech

(100,080 posts)

3. They're better for you? Says who?

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:56 PM

Jul 2016

jonno99

(2,620 posts)

5. You gotta love "research" findings: "can carry" or "can cause". nt

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:01 PM

Jul 2016

Warpy

(111,272 posts)

6. Anyone who knows nicotine's effects on body systems knows that

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:05 PM

Jul 2016

but just about anything is better than sucking concentrated tobacco smoke into your lungs.

Just watch those weasel words like "can," "may," "might" and a few others. Those translate to "we're just guessing here."

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)

7. Who has put forth the premise that they are in fact, healthy?

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:06 PM

Jul 2016

Who has put forth the premise that they are in fact, healthy?

superpatriotman

(6,249 posts)

8. Hands off my vapes

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:12 PM

Jul 2016

Out of my cold, dead mouth.

TBA

(825 posts)

10. I am a cancer survivor

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:21 PM

Jul 2016

I survived stage 2B cervical cancer after 2 months of chemo and radiation (Thank you Mayo Clinic). My oncologist told me that nicotine is like throwing gas on a fire for women who have HPV. Not smoking per se but the chemical nicotine and its interaction with HPV.

If you have HPV and you smoke or vape I strongly suggest PAPs every 6 months if you can get them. The time between PAPs for me was 14 month (I was 2 months late for my annual physical) and boom... cancer.

grubbs

(356 posts)

11. Switched to vape 5 years ago

Reply to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:04 PM

Jul 2016

Morning cough is gone I breathe and feel a lot better. Clothes don't smell. Car doesn't stink. Grandkids don't lecture me. Etc.

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