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backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:13 PM Jul 2016

Benedict Donald is in violation of the Logan Act

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/28/1553756/-Benedict-Donald-is-likely-in-violation-of-the-Logan-Act

The short version: In US law is the Logan Act, which forbids unauthorized private individuals from negotiating with adversarial foreign powers that are in dispute with the U.S. It’s intended to keep individuals from undermining the U.S. government’s position. It reads as follows:

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).


So what was America’s least experienced major party presidential nominee doing when he asked Russia to sic its hackers on the emails of a high-ranking American government official? Hmmm.

From http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/laurence-tribe-trump-russia-226371?cmpid=sf#ixzz4FjE3YPwZ

Former Obama mentor: Trump's Russian hack 'jokes' could 'constitute treason'
By CAROLINE KELLY

07/28/16 01:45 PM EDT
For Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, not only do Donald “Trump's "jokes" about Russia amount to "inviting an adversary to wage cyberwar against the U.S.," but they also "appear to violate the Logan Act and might even constitute treason,” he tweeted Thursday.

Laurence Tribe @tribelaw
Trump's "jokes" inviting an adversary to wage cyberwar against the U.S. appear to violate the Logan Act and might even constitute treason.
10:35 AM - 28 Jul 2016 · Cambridge, MA, United States

The latest tweet from the liberal legal giant whose name has been floated as a Supreme Court pick comes after Trump and his campaign brushed aside the backlash over his remark. The Republican nominee himself telling Fox News that he was "being sarcastic."

“Imagine what our 1st president would've said about a candidate inviting a foreign power to intrude into a US election for the 45th president,” Tribe previously tweeted Wednesday, adding that he “must have been hallucinating” at hearing Trump’s calls for Russian hackers to infiltrate Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s emails.
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Benedict Donald is in violation of the Logan Act (Original Post) backscatter712 Jul 2016 OP
Lock Him Up, Lock Him Up Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #1
Perfect malaise Jul 2016 #3
#DonaldForPrison backscatter712 Jul 2016 #4
here ya go ... napkinz Jul 2016 #12
Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up! napkinz Jul 2016 #10
Proof that dems have a great sense of humor, pangaia Jul 2016 #37
they think this guy is funny ... napkinz Jul 2016 #41
Did you HAVE to bring him UP? pangaia Jul 2016 #55
Yes, by all means lock up the Mangled Apricot Hellbeast. Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #39
K & R Koinos Jul 2016 #2
How any American that lived through the Cold War could accept what he said is beyond me. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #5
This planet would not still be here if trump was president in montana_hazeleyes Jul 2016 #33
Agree 100% Worktodo Jul 2016 #34
He has now entered Bizarro World AwakeAtLast Jul 2016 #38
Putin's rich buddies bankroll Trump. American banks won't touch Trump because he's such a deadbeat ProfessorPlum Jul 2016 #60
Ok… dhill926 Jul 2016 #6
Benedict Donald - the best thing I've read on the Internet today, phylny Jul 2016 #7
I KNOW, right? nolabear Jul 2016 #25
Good name. I posted the same thing last night. He is in violation IMO onecaliberal Jul 2016 #8
Isn't this a problem for Tom Cotton and friends also? Seems they stepped out of line too. shraby Jul 2016 #9
Trump has solicited donations by email from Euro politicians, repeated it after it was explained. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #11
Benedict Donald! napkinz Jul 2016 #13
I doubt his words will be seen as actually treasonous.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #14
.... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #15
Senators were in violaton...... mrmpa Jul 2016 #16
Even if it's not a violation treestar Jul 2016 #17
We have been collecting insulting names for him. TNNurse Jul 2016 #18
Cheeto Von Combover n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #19
Comrade Trumpsky The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #26
I saw this here on DU: ThumpleThinSkin Chemisse Jul 2016 #35
The Great Pumpkin calimary Jul 2016 #43
What government offficial. Sorry to be behind the curve on this. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #20
But the emails in discussion TNNurse Jul 2016 #27
Thanks, now I understand the link. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #28
Trump asked Russia to hack her SOS emails. n/t prayin4rain Jul 2016 #30
Thanks. This is the problem with avoiding the continuing media Trumpathon HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #31
Haha, right? Keeping track of every stupid thing he says is a full time job. nt prayin4rain Jul 2016 #32
Orange Hitler to jail. No wait, he might write his manifesto and make a comeback. kairos12 Jul 2016 #21
... napkinz Jul 2016 #22
Trump is unfit frogmarch Jul 2016 #23
In 200 years no one has been prosecuted for violating the Logan Act. former9thward Jul 2016 #24
Took a while. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #36
Can you name one legal authority that supports your position? former9thward Jul 2016 #45
Supports my position? Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #46
You are right. former9thward Jul 2016 #47
Okay sure. Done. You want to change the subject. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #48
I'm sure he will. former9thward Jul 2016 #51
He should be charged liberal N proud Jul 2016 #29
I see no scenario in which he's prosecuted for his comments. David__77 Jul 2016 #40
So it's good for Trump? Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #50
I don't think so. David__77 Jul 2016 #53
The Logan act is a bad joke. Scruffy1 Jul 2016 #42
MSNBC Homeland Security Analyst Slams Trump's Call For "Watergate"-Like Cyberattack On Clinton napkinz Jul 2016 #44
I love that name "Benedict Donald", so perfect for him! Lady_Chat Jul 2016 #49
Comrade Trump modrepub Jul 2016 #52
IOKIYAR Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #54
Kick. sarcasmo Jul 2016 #56
kick napkinz Jul 2016 #57
Lock him up, lock him up mercuryblues Jul 2016 #58
... napkinz Jul 2016 #59
... napkinz Jul 2016 #61

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
37. Proof that dems have a great sense of humor,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jul 2016

something almost totally lacking in republicans....

( I know, blanket statement, BUT you know what I mean)

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
5. How any American that lived through the Cold War could accept what he said is beyond me.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jul 2016

We had bomb drills at our schools. Everybody was glued to any news source they could get for a few days in October of 1962. Hell even the Reagan fans cheering for Ronnie saying "tear down that wall. How can they accept what Trump said?

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
33. This planet would not still be here if trump was president in
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jul 2016

Oct 1962 type situation. Can anyone imagine him, with his temperament at a time like that?

Worktodo

(288 posts)
34. Agree 100%
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jul 2016

Trump's NATO comments last week set my hair on fire. Guess the media is looking forward to the war coverage? And what's up with the weird Bromance between Trump and Putin. He says John McCain isn't a war hero but calls Putin "a great leader"? If he loves Russia so much he should go run for office there.

ProfessorPlum

(11,257 posts)
60. Putin's rich buddies bankroll Trump. American banks won't touch Trump because he's such a deadbeat
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016

Trump is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Russian kleptocracy.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
11. Trump has solicited donations by email from Euro politicians, repeated it after it was explained.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jul 2016

He doesn't give a damn.

Two things are operative here:

1) Trump is so privileged after escaping 4 or 6 bankruptcies that he thinks he can get away with anything.

2) Trump is so door-knob stupid he is running a completely amateur campaign organization and can't see how amateurish it is.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
14. I doubt his words will be seen as actually treasonous....
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jul 2016

...but I'm all for chanting "Lock him up!" over it

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
15. .... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jul 2016

Republican candidate for President pre-impeaches self

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
16. Senators were in violaton......
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jul 2016

of the Logan Act when they wrote a letter to Iran in regard to the Iran Treaty. Nothing was done. They are named below?

Senator Tom Cotton, R-AR
Senator Orrin Hatch, R-UT
Senator Charles Grassley, R-IA
Senator Mitch McConnell, R-KY
Senator Richard Shelby, R-AL
Senator John McCain, R-AZ
Senator James Inhofe, R-OK
Senator Pat Roberts, R-KS
Senator Jeff Sessions, R-AL
Senator Michael Enzi, R-WY
Senator Michael Crapo, R-ID
Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC
Senator John Cornyn, R-TX
Senator Richard Burr, R-NC
Senator John Thune, R-SD
Senator Johnny Isakson, R-GA
Senator David Vitter, R-LA
Senator John A. Barrasso, R-WY
Senator Roger Wicker, R-MS
Senator Jim Risch, R-ID
Senator Mark Kirk, R-IL
Senator Roy Blunt, R-MO
Senator Jerry Moran, R-KS
Senator Rob Portman, R-OH
Senator John Boozman, R-AR
Senator Pat Toomey, R-PA
Senator John Hoeven, R-ND
Senator Marco Rubio, R-FL
Senator Ron Johnson, R-WI
Senator Rand Paul, R-KY
Senator Mike Lee, R-UT
Senator Kelly Ayotte, R-NH
Senator Dean Heller, R-NV
Senator Tim Scott, R-SC
Senator Ted Cruz, R-TX
Senator Deb Fischer, R-NE
Senator Shelley Moore Capito, R-WV
Senator Bill Cassidy, R-LA
Senator Cory Gardner, R-CO
Senator James Lankford, R-OK
Senator Steve Daines, R-MT
Senator Mike Rounds, R-SD
Senator David Perdue, R-GA
Senator Thom Tillis, R-NC
Senator Joni Ernst, R-IA
Senator Ben Sasse, R-NE
Senator Dan Sullivan, R-AK

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. Even if it's not a violation
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jul 2016

It's still a damn stupid thing to say. And it ought to come back to bite him in his orange ass.

TNNurse

(6,927 posts)
18. We have been collecting insulting names for him.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jul 2016

Little Donnie (like Little Marco) was first.
Then Don the Con, but
Benedict Donald is the current favorite.

calimary

(81,314 posts)
43. The Great Pumpkin
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jul 2016

And I particularly like "Donald Rump" - thanks to all those photos I saw of his early campaigning days that "accidentally" cropped the "T" out!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
20. What government offficial. Sorry to be behind the curve on this.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jul 2016

I'm assuming someone other than HRC or members of the DNC. HRC isn't a government official at this time.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
31. Thanks. This is the problem with avoiding the continuing media Trumpathon
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jul 2016

you can't know what you purposefully ignore.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
21. Orange Hitler to jail. No wait, he might write his manifesto and make a comeback.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jul 2016

Make him pick up trash on the side of the road. The vest will match his hair.

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
23. Trump is unfit
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jul 2016

for any office. He's unfit for anything. There is something seriously wrong with him mentally, and I don't mean just in regards to this. I think he's insane.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
24. In 200 years no one has been prosecuted for violating the Logan Act.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jul 2016

No one. That is because centuries ago the DOJ determined the Logan Act was unconstitutional and throughout the decades every DOJ has agreed with that. Everytime someone talks with some foreign leader or group someone in the other party claims it is a Logan Act violation. When Pelosi meet with Assad over the objections of the Bush State Department Republicans claimed a Logan Act violation.

Pelosi Meets Syrian President Despite Objections From Bush

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401351.html

When Jane Fonda met with the North Vietnamese and offered them encouragement in shooting down American planes people said she should be charged but she wasn't.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
47. You are right.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jul 2016

If you look at the actual wording of the Logan Act what Pelosi did is a clear violation. She is lucky it is unconstitutional.

David__77

(23,421 posts)
40. I see no scenario in which he's prosecuted for his comments.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:11 PM
Jul 2016

I don't even imagine they will be politically damaging. They certainly draw attention to the issue of emails.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
42. The Logan act is a bad joke.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jul 2016

One indictment in 1803 with no prosecution. Reagan tried to use it once against democratic congressman and got his ass handed to him by the Supremes.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
44. MSNBC Homeland Security Analyst Slams Trump's Call For "Watergate"-Like Cyberattack On Clinton
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jul 2016

MALCOLM NANCE: To be quite honest, I am really stumped. I mean, this is unprecedented what happened today. I don't believe ever in the history of the United States has a presidential candidate, or anyone in the United States government, ever advocated for a hostile foreign intelligence agency to actually infiltrate or release data that they have stolen -- potentially stolen from a U.S. citizen or a U.S. government facility or server.

And then, to marry that up with the leaks that have happened this week so that they can get information out in a blatantly obvious political warfare/cyber operation that's occurring in the United States. It is Watergate with a cyber twist, as run by the Russian intelligence services. I really just cannot believe that any of this is happening.

see video: https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/07/27/msnbc-homeland-security-analyst-slams-trumps-call-watergate-cyberattack-clinton/211962

Lady_Chat

(561 posts)
49. I love that name "Benedict Donald", so perfect for him!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jul 2016

I hope in the future we hear chants of it!

Thank you!

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
58. Lock him up, lock him up
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jul 2016

Trump Tower is falling down,
Falling down,
Falling down.
Trump Tower is falling down,
Orange baby!

Take the key and lock him up,
And lock him up.
And lock him up.
Take the key and lock her up,
orange baby!

How will we then build it up?,
Build it up,
Build it up.
How we will then build it up?,
Orange baby!

Build it up with silver and gold,
Silver and gold,
Silver and gold.
Build it up with silver and gold,
Orange baby!

Gold and silver you have none,
you have none,
you have none.
Gold and silver you have none,
Orange baby!

Build it up with Russian hackers,
Russian hackers,
Russian hackers.
Build it up with Russian hackers,
Orange!

Russian hackers beg and snitch
beg and snitch,
Beg and snitch.
Russian hackers beg and snitch,
Orange baby.

Build it up with people you don't pay,
You don't pay,
You don't pay.
Build it up with people you don't pay,
Orange baby!

They will sue you some day,
Some day,
Some Day.
They will sue you some day,
Orange baby.

Build it up with lies and hate,
Lies and hate,
Lies and hate.
Build it up with lies and hate,
Orange baby!

Lies and hate will only go so far,
Go so far so long,
Go so far.
Lies and hate will only go so far,
Orange baby.

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