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The $32,000 per-year progressive school founded by the Blue Man Group has come under scrutiny by parents, who claim their kids are barely learning to read, the New York Post reports.
The Blue School, a private school located in New York City's Financial District, has no books and no tests and is facing an exodus of students and teachers.
One mother complained to the Post that the school is unstructured. She is pulling her son at the end of the school year, as are the parents of four of her sons first-grade classmates. Parents also claim that their children are not prepared to take tests and are bored with nothing to do in school.
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According to the Post, school officials say students decide their own curriculum and have no predetermined arrival time. Currently, the school includes grades K-3, and a fourth grade is being added next year.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/blue-man-group-school-scr_n_1594496.html
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Initech
(100,097 posts)elleng
(131,061 posts)not smart enough to figure this out???
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)then freak out when their kids are being educated in an anti-authoritarian environment. They have absolutely no experience in how to trust their own intelligence and progress without "testing", let alone their child's.
elleng
(131,061 posts)we spend TIME observing how the school operates, what happens in the classrooms, and 'open house' is more than just open the doors.
Testing is not required for a good education, nor is authoritarianism; good judgment on the part of parents and school IS.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)and many parents can't handle it. They have no cultural or social basis to judge the environment or their kid's progress. A parent will feel social pressure that their kid should be reading at this age or that age without seeing the other important skills that the kid is acquiring.
In the democratic schools that I am familiar with, there is quite a bit of exodus in the first few years because parents panic with the unfamiliar. (And a lot of "problem" kid dumping during the teenage years.) One of the problems that I see with this school is, because it is only grades 1 to 3, is that parents are not experiencing interactions with older students who have thrived in this environment.
elleng
(131,061 posts)and we had time to observe students thriving. Not 'democratic,' but easy-going, student-centered, based on Piaget, Ginott, etc.
Lowell has since added grades. Daughters worked/taught/counseled in summer camp/programs for years.
http://www.lowellschool.org/
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)no testing and learning would be self-directed, then they were idiots.
elleng
(131,061 posts)I don't recall one test. Teachers wrote great, thorough and complete explanations of students' work.
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Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The origin of the HuffPo article comes from the right wing rag NY Post.
elleng
(131,061 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)with a democratic school. And both Lowell and the Blue School seem to have solid child-centric education goals. It doesn't surprise me that the right wing NY Post would feature, in a tabloid manner, a way to discredit a progressive school. And I've no doubt that there are some parents unhappy. That is going to happen with any educational system.
elleng
(131,061 posts)Will have to read more about Blue School.
GREAT thing about Lowell - kids learned to read by WRITING, their own 'stories' and books, which were then 'bound' and kept in library!. We probably still have ours. They wrote their experiences. Was REALLY fun to watch. AND, MATH = halloween, sorting and classifying the candies they received! I recall sitting on living room floor 'helping' with that.
I don't recall any families leaving for the reasons mentioned in Post.
ONE of the Lowell parents - Linda Darling-Hammond! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Darling-Hammond
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)See links to PDF of curriculum outlining content by grade.
e.g. http://www.lowellinside.org/data/PS-MSCurriculumFinal11-12.pdf
As I said, daughters attended a 'progressive' school.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)reading for instance.
That requires someone telling you what each letter is, what it sounds like, how it forms a word and you memorizing all that.
Authoritarian in other words.
You can't just declare that some letter means something to you and then run with it.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)I would like to decide what I do each day and have no predetermined arrival time.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)It facilitates children to be self-motivated and independent. The kids not only shape their own education but, democratically, decide how the school is run.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)My nephew's school needed a wiring upgrade, a field that he was interested in, somewhere around age 9-11 he decided to make it happen (that is what kids do in a democratic school). So with the teachers assistance, he researched the schools needs. On his own, he contacted contractors and got estimates. With outside assistance (which the school facilitates) he worked up a budget and presented it in front of the school's monthly budget meeting for a vote of acceptance.
By the way, my nephew did not proficiently read until age 9. He was self motivated to do so because he wanted to be able to read architects notes on diagrams.
This is THE standard for a democratic school.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)In order to graduate, the student must present a thesis. An acceptable thesis will take 1-2 years to complete. 90% of the students go on to university and from my limited experience, they do well. Most likely because they are accustomed to working confidently and independently.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)except you don't have to learn the basics, unless you want to...
I guess there are enough people in this country where some fringe groups can have their science experiments
Let's see how these kids are doing in 20 years....
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Have you been to a democratic school? Have you met people who've been to one?
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)32K to crack eggs on their head - hefty
Luminous Animal
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And yes, there are no tests but there are resources and books galore but not, "by committee" approved text books. Certainly these parents knew that going in. The school is, by design unstructured in the sense of a top down structure and there is zero test taking.
It the parents were expecting a test based education, then they were idiots.
http://blueschool.org/overview
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)It was always difficult for me to believe that it would work in the US (or virtually anywhere).
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Just not the structure or motivation that you are accustomed to.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Maybe when these kids get older, their parents can send them to Carrot Top University.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Although for 32,000 dollars a pop I wouldn't mind telling a class full of kids that they are wonderful special beings of light while they run around and hit each other with their chairs.
Let's see, you could probably stick 15-20 kids per classroom. That's 480,000 - 640,000. Maybe some of that has to go towards rent, insurance, and the like but that should still leave me taking home at least 200k per year. To do nothing. I could live with that.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)I saw the Blue Man group in Boston in 1995 and during that version of their show they did is a funny skit where one blue man throws differently colored paint balls into the mouth of another blue man who spews the paint onto a rotating canvas. He throws marshmallows to the other.
Well after the show we talking with the crew and I asked for the painting. I offered $25 for it. They said sure and each of the blue men signed it by kissing it with their blue lips. It hangs in my sons bedroom now.
For those who saw that show you know why I didn't ask for the marshmallow art.