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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 11:09 PM Jun 2012

Five Things To Know About The Republican Witchhunt Against Attorney General Holder

Five Things To Know About The Republican Witchhunt Against Attorney General Holder

By Ian Millhiser

In 2006, during the presidency of George W. Bush, the Justice Department launched the first of a series of misguided “gunrunning” schemes that eventually led to the death of federal Agent Brian Terry. Rather than look to ways to prevent such a tragedy from happening again, however, House Oversight Chair Darrell Issa’s (R-CA) spent his tenure as a committee chair trying unsuccessfully to embarrass Attorney General Eric Holder.

Next week, Issa plans to escalate this witchhunt by holding an committee vote on a resolution to hold the Attorney General in contempt of Congress. Here’s what you need to know about this vote:

1. Issa Has No Case: Issa’s uncovered no evidence showing Holder bears any blame for the botched operations begun under George W. Bush, even though the Justice Department turned over thousands of pages of documents concerning the operations. Instead of accepting this fact, Issa has requested many more documents containing confidential information regarding ongoing law enforcement investigations, and is now threatening to hold Holder in contempt if these documents are not turned over. Holder is entirely correct to withhold these documents, however, because Justice Department documents are not subject to congressional subpoena if they would reveal “strategies and procedures that could be used by individuals seeking to evade [DOJ's] law enforcement efforts.”

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5. Issa Is Fixated On A Conspiracy Theory: Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of this affair is what Issa once suggested his investigation will uncover. In an interview with Sean Hannity, Issa claimed that the Obama administration “made a crisis” when they continued the Bush-era gunrunning operations because they wanted to “us[e] this crisis to somehow take away or limit people’s Second Amendment rights.” This accusation originates from a former militiaman who supports violent resistance to imagined government attempts to seize his guns. And it amounts to an accusation that a series of botched gun stings that begun during the Bush Administration were actually part of a secret Obama plot to release guns to Mexican drug lords, so that those guns could then be used to kill federal agents, which would then cause a national uprising in support of gun control.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/13/498521/five-things-to-know-about-the-house-oversight-chairs-witchhunt-against-attorney-general-holder/


Good read:

Sen. Cornyn accuses Eric Holder of perjury, asks him to resign. Gets told to pound sand
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/12/1099439/-Sen-Cornyn-accuses-Eric-Holder-of-perjury-asks-him-to-resign-Gets-told-to-pound-sand

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Five Things To Know About The Republican Witchhunt Against Attorney General Holder (Original Post) ProSense Jun 2012 OP
Then Holder should deal with Issa as forcefully as MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #1
Recommend for more eyes; this is bunk, as usual. rethugs...look over there! Thanks, Pro. nt babylonsister Jun 2012 #2
And: Marie Marie Jun 2012 #3
I think it has something to do with Florida and how Holder is standing in the way jillan Jun 2012 #4
This actually began quite a while ago RZM Jun 2012 #8
Well that fits the scenario also quite nicely. How convenient. glinda Jun 2012 #12
It's Clash of the Assholes appal_jack Jun 2012 #5
Yeah, because ProSense Jun 2012 #6
And when the Repukes get back in power some day, intheflow Jun 2012 #10
Oh brother ProSense Jun 2012 #11
what are the Republicans afraid of I wonder..... glinda Jun 2012 #13
like many it seems to me that the DOJ has been MIA oldhippydude Jun 2012 #7
I feel there is. glinda Jun 2012 #14
Issa should be in jail. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #9
Kicked and recommended. Good reading. Robb Jun 2012 #15
I'm going to say it Aerows Jun 2012 #16
And I'm going to say it ProSense Jun 2012 #18
If that's your rebuttal Aerows Jun 2012 #19
Yeah, ProSense Jun 2012 #20
Okay Aerows Jun 2012 #22
It's a good ProSense Jun 2012 #24
When you indict old people Aerows Jun 2012 #25
Wait ProSense Jun 2012 #26
It's a bullshit witchhunt, yes Aerows Jun 2012 #27
What? ProSense Jun 2012 #28
Prosense Aerows Jun 2012 #29
You should ProSense Jun 2012 #30
So you don't care about President Obama Aerows Jun 2012 #31
I see you have no rebuttal Aerows Jun 2012 #32
K&R nt riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #17
k&r nt steve2470 Jun 2012 #21
K&R BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #23
It needs to be said Amerigus May 2013 #33
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. Then Holder should deal with Issa as forcefully as
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 11:14 PM
Jun 2012

he deals with medical marijuana users.

Nail his ass to the wall!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
4. I think it has something to do with Florida and how Holder is standing in the way
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 11:44 PM
Jun 2012

of Rick Scott's voter purge.


 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
8. This actually began quite a while ago
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 12:52 AM
Jun 2012

Issa has been pushing the gunwalking thing for a long time now. At least a year or so.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
5. It's Clash of the Assholes
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 12:04 AM
Jun 2012

Last edited Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:16 PM - Edit history (2)

I wish I could root for Holder or the Administration in this case, but not when they are witholding documents about gun crimes committed under their command. Even given that the Bushistas committed their own gunwalking felonies, and withheld way more documents from innumerable more pressing investigations, the buck stops with Holder & Obama now.

Had Holder acted even a bit the role of a progressive in cases of Medical Marijuana dispensaries, Habeus Corpus / US prisoner laws & actions, wiretapping, the 2nd Amendment, or any other of a number of issues, I might be willing believe his claims of the need for secrecy this once. But Holder has been an asshole about most everything since the moment he took office. Is Issa an asshole too? Sure. Fuck all these assholes, DINO's & Repugs alike. I hold them all in contempt.


Instead of accepting this fact, Issa has requested many more documents containing confidential information regarding ongoing law enforcement investigations, and is now threatening to hold Holder in contempt if these documents are not turned over. Holder is entirely correct to withhold these documents, however, because Justice Department documents are not subject to congressional subpoena if they would reveal “strategies and procedures that could be used by individuals seeking to evade law enforcement efforts.”


wtf? Any information about any police action could be used to "evade law enforcement efforts." Just because Holder was appointed by a "D" does not mean he gets a pass on oppressive beliefs & actions.

-app

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. Yeah, because
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 12:47 AM
Jun 2012

Republicans would never spend every moment requesting every document just to grind government to a halt. It was their plan with the CFPB.

You got one thing right: "Is Issa an asshole too? Sure."



intheflow

(28,494 posts)
10. And when the Repukes get back in power some day,
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:24 AM
Jun 2012

as they surely will, they will use the strengthened absence of habeas corpus and domestic wiretapping for ever-more nefarious purposes, thanks to Holder's actions. Seriously: Holder is not an asset for the left in the long run. Not saying Republicans aren't using this as a way to shut down government, but I am suggesting that if any member of the Obama administration should get thrown under the bus, Holder is the best candidate to go down.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. Oh brother
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:30 AM
Jun 2012

"And when the Repukes get back in power some day, as they surely will, they will use the strengthened absence of habeas corpus and domestic wiretapping for ever-more nefarious purposes, thanks to Holder's actions."

Those laws were passed by Congress. They are not being abused by Holder. Republicans will have them unless Congress make changes to the laws.

"Holder is the best candidate to go down."

Write a letter to Cornyn.

Holder did the right thing by smacking down that noise.

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
7. like many it seems to me that the DOJ has been MIA
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 12:51 AM
Jun 2012

Issa will pursue any action to embarrass the administration, up to and including manufacturing a conspiracy..i was hoping that secretary Holder would be involved in actively pursuing the voting rights issues promulgated in several states..

perhaps implicating ALEC in voter suppresion... i am wondering if perhaps the DOJ could not prosecute ALEC under RICO for conspiracy to violate voting rights.. all this of course cant be done with Issa's fishing expedition, perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye..
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
16. I'm going to say it
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:12 PM
Jun 2012

Fuck Holder. That man has been a disaster since day one. I happen to support Obama, but Holder? He's an idiot.

He has fucked up more things in the DoJ than can be counted on fingers and toes. Obama would do well to fire his ass.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. And I'm going to say it
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:14 PM
Jun 2012

"He has fucked up more things in the DoJ than can be counted on fingers and toes. Obama would do well to fire his ass."

Bullfuckingshit!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
20. Yeah,
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:16 PM
Jun 2012

"You belong as a prosecutor beside Holder."

...you can stand with the "say any damn ridiculous thing" Republicans.

I'll stand with Holder any fucking day.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. Okay
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:21 PM
Jun 2012

You are welcome to do so, but don't expect a huge number of people to be cheering on the sidelines while you do. He has increasingly become a controversial figure, and not in a good way. I'm a DEMOCRAT telling you this, not some joe schmoe on the corner.

This isn't even about F&F - mostly, he brought this upon himself because he is a very weak AG, has pursued questionable indictments, and generally doesn't seem to care about bringing justice unless it is an easy, airtight case.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
24. It's a good
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:26 PM
Jun 2012

"You are welcome to do so, but don't expect a huge number of people to be cheering on the sidelines while you do. He has increasingly become a controversial figure, and not in a good way. I'm a DEMOCRAT telling you this, not some joe schmoe on the corner. "

...thing Obama is calling the shots. Tim Geithner still has a job. There is no fucking reason for Holder to resign because Issa is a dipshit.

Republicans would love to get him out of the way.

Holder Stands Up for the Right to Vote

Today’s excellent New York Times editorial rightfully praises Attorney General Eric Holder’s efforts this week to highlight the sanctity of the right to vote in America. In his speech from the Lyndon Baines Johnson presidential library in Austin, Texas, the attorney general said, “The right to vote is not only the cornerstone of our system of government — it is the lifeblood of our democracy. And no force has proved more powerful — or more integral to the success of the great American experiment — than efforts to expand the franchise.”

But this year, we’ve seen a coordinated effort to shrink our democracy and push voters out of the electorate as legislatures across the country have passed laws that will make it harder for Americans – particularly African-Americans, the elderly, students and people with disabilities – to exercise their fundamental right to cast a ballot. The Department of Justice plays a critical role in fighting back against these voter suppression laws. The agency can challenge discriminatory voting laws and stop them from going into effect.

Take action and tell Attorney General Holder you agree with his efforts to protect the right to vote.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/voting-rights/holder-stands-right-vote
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. When you indict old people
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:30 PM
Jun 2012

for medical marijuana - people that are sick - that illustrates to me that you don't give a good god damn about humanity.

I don't smoke marijuana, but I wouldn't in my wildest dreams think to criminalize people who use it to manage health conditions.

I wouldn't have let Bush off the hook, because he perpetuated a slaughter.

You see, politics mean people disagreeing with each other, but when it gets to egregious, like it has with Holder, you need them removed from office.

EDIT: Oh. Accuse me of being a Republican, please, because I don't like Holder. I support our President, but his AG is an idiot.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
26. Wait
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:36 PM
Jun 2012

"When you indict old people for medical marijuana - people that are sick - that illustrates to me that you don't give a good god damn about humanity."

...you're jumping on Issa's bullshit witchhunt because you don't agree with a policy?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. It's a bullshit witchhunt, yes
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jun 2012

But does Holder deserve to have the position of AG? Hell no. Because of his policies.

Sorry, I don't like the man, and can't imagine why Obama ever appointed him in the first place.

EDIT: Nor why any Obama supporter would support Holder. I totally do not get the Holder love that some have.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
28. What?
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jun 2012
But does Holder deserve to have the position of AG? Hell no. Because of his policies.

Sorry, I don't like the man, and can't imagine why Obama ever appointed him in the first place.

EDIT: Nor why any Obama supporter would support Holder. I totally do not get the Holder love that some have.

Holder has policies? Newsflash: The policies are Obama's, not Holder's.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
29. Prosense
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jun 2012

Quit while you are ahead. If you really want me to analyze this situation, I will, but let's leave it as "I, Aerows, like Obama, will vote for him, and I can't stand Erik Holder because he doesn't go after real criminals, only petty thieves."

I know this won't satisfy you, cher, but we have the same goal - elect Obama 2012.

None of that will make me think Holder is qualified to be AG, has displayed a hand toward justice, or giving me any confidence in the man.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
30. You should
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jun 2012

"Quit while you are ahead. If you really want me to analyze this situation, I will, but let's leave it as 'I, Aerows, like Obama, will vote for him, and I can't stand Erik Holder because he doesn't go after real criminals, only petty thieves.'"

...have taken your own advice. I mean, Issa's actions and the OP have nothing to do with whether or not you support Obama. His name is "Eric" Holder. The rest of the comment also has nothing to do with Issa's actions.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
31. So you don't care about President Obama
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:00 PM
Jun 2012

and President Obama getting elected, it's all about Eric Holder (thank you for the spelling correction)?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. I see you have no rebuttal
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jun 2012

against a staunch President Obama supporter that also disapproves of Holder.

Wake me up when you have a valid reason to love Holder as AG. I haven't found one yet.

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
23. K&R
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:25 PM
Jun 2012

And especially the part about Issa's convoluted efforts to stoke the --> crowd. Somehow, their remaining talking point - "guns" had to get inserted in there somewhere and like clockwork, here it is!

Amerigus

(34 posts)
33. It needs to be said
Wed May 15, 2013, 01:53 PM
May 2013

Holder has been indefensible on prosecuting white collar crime by WallStreet and Walmart. The evidence of robosigning was not even in dispute, but Holder crafted a settlement for pennies on the dollar.

Instead of deterring this behavior with perp walks, he emboldened banks to reneg on the terms of the immunity deal. Lanny Breuer admitted on TV he didn't bring charges because it would hurt the industry. He stepped down the same week and is back working for the banks.

The irony is that fines and restitution penalties would have exceeded these settlement figures.

Another slam dunk was the award winning NYT exposé on Walmart's Mexican bribes. Two recent CEOs were implicated in knowledge and cover ups. But instead of doing his job under the FCPA, Holder provided top cover for the biggest criminals. Defend this, if you can.

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