Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:13 AM Aug 2016

White evangelical voters

This is astounding to me given Trump's behavior over the years:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/03/fox-news-poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-10-points-both-seen-as-flawed.html

Trump is the choice among whites by 10 points (49-39 percent), men by 5 (45-40 percent), white evangelical Christians by 50 (69-19 percent), and whites without a college degree by 16 (52-36 percent).


Without those evangelicals in the mix, it's likely that most white people would support Clinton.

Here's an evangelical pastor supporting Trump and his reasons for doing so:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/06/22/course-evangelicals-can-vote-for-trump.html
It’s Trump’s position on three key issues that encourage me. The first - and most important - is that of The Supreme Court. Trump’s campaign recently released a list of potential Supreme Court Nominees, all of which are judges who will uphold the constitution without attempting to legislate from the bench. I cannot overstate the importance of this. Any honest conservative should commend this list of nominees.

The second issue is the protection and sanctity of life. Now I know that candidate Trump has changed his position on this particular issue and many question his sincerity. But, I’m a pastor and I love it when someone changes their mind and comes over to the right side of an issue! I choose to believe Mr. Trump has truly converted to support life and will be a protector of the unborn.

And what is the alternative? Hillary Clinton is clearly in favor of legalized abortion. There is no choice here for me and millions of evangelical Christians. We will vote life every time. We will vote principle over personality, party, or our pocket books.

The last issue is that of Religious Liberty. Trump has brought greater voice to the concerns held by many Americans when it comes to our faith. With a great marketer’s instinct, he sums it up like this, “When I’m President, we’ll say Merry Christmas again.”

It’s an impressively simplistic - but effective - way of articulating a widely held conviction. As Christians, we believe the left’s agenda is to marginalize Christianity to the sidelines, diminishing our influence and many of the faith traditions we cherish.


I'm agnostic, so I don't understand the "evangelical brain" very well.

Do you think that pastor represents most evangelical Trump supporters, or is there far more to the story?
16 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
3. According to Steven Pinker in his book "The Blank Slate"...
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:25 AM
Aug 2016

... a reason that many people oppose abortion is that they believe in a soul.

It doesn't matter that a fetus has no human-level brain activity for several weeks because those people think there's a "ghost in the machine" that's residing within.

True Dough

(17,337 posts)
2. If the evangelicals help to elect Trump
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:24 AM
Aug 2016

they must really expect their God to perform a miracle, keeping the U.S. from sliding into ruination or revolt.

liberal N proud

(60,347 posts)
4. All they need to hear is that a candidate is anti-abortion and republican
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:26 AM
Aug 2016

Everything else is then filtered out. It is like the parts of the bible they want to believe, the rest is then filtered out.

I once attended church weekly, the hypocrisy bothered me, but I was raised to go to church, then they tried to tell me I couldn't be a Christian if I didn't vote republican, I turned around and walked out.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
8. The hypocrisy surprises me too
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:34 AM
Aug 2016

Such as when they supported Reagan in 1980 despite his divorce, signing an abortion bill in California, etc.

Of course, Reagan later turned anti-abortion as President... likely for political reasons. It's akin to Nixon and his "Southern strategy," except with unborn as the subject.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
7. I guess I'm technically a white evangelical.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:33 AM
Aug 2016

I'm Baptist, so I think that counts.

Anyway, I don't understand the way these people think either. I don't think it has much to do with the religion. I think religion is a fig leaf for many of these people.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
9. It's not just the abortion part
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:54 AM
Aug 2016

It's also saying he would work to remove the restrictions on churches. Making it so you could use your church as political pulpit and still get the exempt status. Along with weakening the separation of church and state laws. They don't seem to have a problem with the "assault" on Christmas done by the church incorporating pagan rituals in to it or businesses turning it in to for profit scheme.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
10. Yeah
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 08:02 AM
Aug 2016

I interpreted that pastor's reference to "religious liberty" as possibly encompassing that stuff.

Their "liberty" to cram religion down the throats of others... in public schools or elsewhere.

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
11. I think a large part is Trump's authoritarian message.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 12:52 PM
Aug 2016

Evangelicals tend towards authoritarianism, and moreover, they tend to forgive authoritarian leaders. Check out writings by Jonathan Haitt, among others. Haitt's book is the "Rightous Mind". Very perceptive.

bluesbassman

(19,379 posts)
13. Many lean toward the prosperity doctrine. Doesn't matter where the money actually comes from.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 01:25 PM
Aug 2016

So in Trump the see a man with lots of money who professes a christian faith and that reinforces their concept of devine blessing. It's rather pathetic how they can dismiss Trump's lack of character, humility, self control, or moral compass just because he says certain things they want to hear.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
15. I think some of them ignore these passages from the New Testament...
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 01:40 PM
Aug 2016

... and this isn't even all of them!

It’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for the rich to have eternal life (Luke 18:24-27)

Sell all and give to the poor to have treasure in heaven (Luke 18:18-23)

It’s difficult for the rich to enter heaven (Mark 10:23-25)

People who are concerned about earthly possessions and money are not depending on God’s provision (Luke 12:22-34)

We cannot serve God and money (Matthew 6:24, Luke 16:13)

What is exalted by men (wealth), is an abomination before God (Luke 16:14-15)

Do not store up treasure on earth (Matthew 6:19-21)


Meanwhile, Trump supporter Paula White preaches about "seed money":


I'm not a religious person and I don't care to debate it, but it sure seems PERVERTED to me.

bluesbassman

(19,379 posts)
16. Evangelical Christians ignore a lot, and they also embrace a lot. All depends on their agenda.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:11 PM
Aug 2016

I spent many years in Evangelical churches and the more I studied the Bible, the more I came to realize that many of these people do not follow Christ, they follow a personality that preaches to them every Sunday. Pretty much boils down to being told what they want to hear and there is ALWAYS an out provided when something scriptural contradicts their agenda.

Personally I believe people like Paula White and Joel Olsteen are no better than Trump. Grifters and con artists the lot of 'em.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
14. Well not to overdo the delusional references
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 01:29 PM
Aug 2016

but...

"As Christians, we believe the left’s agenda is to marginalize Christianity to the sidelines, diminishing our influence and many of the faith traditions we cherish."

All I can say to that is by Anu can I have a pint of whatever he's had a few gallons of?

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»White evangelical voters