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Members of the Lebanese delegation to the 2016 Olympic Games refused to travel on the same bus as their Israeli counterparts to the opening ceremony in Rio on Friday, with some attempting to block athletes from entering the vehicle, according to a report by an Israeli trainer who claimed to have witnessed the scene.
I kept on insisting that we board the bus and said that if the Lebanese did not want to board as well they are welcome to leave, Udi Gal, the Israeli sailing team trainer, wrote in a Facebook post Friday.
The bus driver opened the door, but this time the head of the Lebanese delegation blocked the aisle and entrance. The organizers wanted to avoid an international and physical incident and sent us away to a different bus.
So far, no official response on behalf of the delegations was given regarding the incident. The Olympic organizing committee has not yet offered any statement about the incident either.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/lebanese-olympic-team-demands-israelis-be-removed-from-shared-bus/?utm_content=buffer52ee1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Problem solved
cali
(114,904 posts)I'm holding my breath through the closing ceremony.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not sure if there are similar stories for athletes from other countries. Maybe there is?
cali
(114,904 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)We held a joint task force military operation and the military in both countries refused to work in the office at the same time. A scheduling nightmare but it was done.
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cpwm17
(3,829 posts)For understandable reasons, there are bad feelings.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Yet nothing like this would ever occur between athletes from those two countries.
This is the Olympics.
The whole point is to show that athletes can get along with one another in the spirit of universal humanity in spite of what various governments might be doing.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Americans in the same situation would probably do the same thing, The US didn't even show up to the 1980 Olympics due to the Soviet's war in Afghanistan, a war the US helped provoke
Now this is something that violates the spirit of universal humanity:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/israel-blocks-olympics-bound-palestinian-travel-160802202751580.html
"Israel did not give Issam Qishta a permit to leave Gaza and therefore he was not able to join the rest of the Olympic team in Brazil," Munther Masalmeh, secretary-general of the Palestinian Olympic Committee, told the Dpa news agency on Tuesday.
Israel wouldn't allow him to leave the Gaza concentration camp to participate in the Olympics.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Would you say that it would be proper to snub the fuck out of the Saudi team members because their government subjects LGBT and others to the lash and to death? Or are we supposed to 'understand' that it is 'different' when we are systemically executed and show good will toward those Saudi athletes?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Do you think Israeli athletes should even be allowed to participate in the Olympics?
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Apartheid South Africa discriminated against black athletes so they ware banned from the Olympics. That should be the standard. Israel hasn't been banned at this point, and to this point, I haven't directly promote that idea.
The International Olympic Committee should make sure all nations don't violate the rights of their athletes to participate, or be banned.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)The Olympics is supposed to be about. Building camaraderie through sport and competition.
citood
(550 posts)I've been to the Korean border...and they are fascinated with propaganda photos. We were warned about this before getting off the bus - told not to make any hand gestures, etc., and sure enough, photographers would try to discretely lean out from behind a post, and snap our pictures.
So I don't know why I'm weirded out about this, but I'm not sure the dictator will like a photo of a gymnast smiling with a South Korean.
BTW, having been to South Korea, I don't believe South Koreans dislike or hate North Koreans at all. Its more like a family that worries about a relative that has been taken in by a cult.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)with a concentration camp.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)[link:http://
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(14,732 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Is the among the highest in the world:
http://www.economist.com/node/8846631
So much so that weight loss centers are a booming business:
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/03/gaza-palestinan-obesity-diseases-diet-fitness.html
I guess the evil Joooos are feeding the Arabs in Gaza to death. Just like the Germans in Dachau when they force fed prisoners strudel!
Egnever
(21,506 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)"...due to the Soviet's war in Afghanistan, a war the US helped provoke"
The whole point of the Olympics is to put political divisions aside and compete on a level playing field in the spirit of togetherness. If every country that had a beef with another country refused to travel with or compete against them, there would be no games. The loudest cheer during the parade last night (besides Brazil) was for the refugee athletes and all they symbolize by competing in these games.
Take the politics and cram them for two weeks.
Otherwise we have a games of USA refusing to play GB over the American revolution
France refusing to play Germany over WW2 invasion
China refusing to play Mongolia
you could go on and on.
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cali
(114,904 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)standard. They can't discuss the principles involved.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Force folks to be nice to them?
What are you talking about?
Were there other athletes that this happened to?
cali
(114,904 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)Here is another example l.
https://m.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)No stories of any problems at this point.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As another example.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to compete. It goes against the very message of the Olympics...did they not watch the opening ceremony? Why is it only Israel has to put up with shit like this?
malaise
(269,056 posts)Israel should have been banned from the Olympics. Ask South Africa why they were banned from international sport for decades.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or just Israel?
alarimer
(16,245 posts)But the apartheid of the occupation is similar to South Africa.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)https://www.hrw.org/asia/north-korea
cali
(114,904 posts)Or is it just Israel? Do you think that what the Saudis practice isn't apartheid against women?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)wonder if they've suffered anything like that before...
(I can guess what you'd have to say about Munich)
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)but then the US should be banned for the Iraq War and Saudi Arabia should be banned for Yemen, etc.
Most nations wouldn't be banned by this standard, but it still could get ugly.
The best that the International Olympic Committee can probably do is ban nations that discriminate against their athletes, such that the wrong type of person isn't allowed to participate. That would keep the spirit of the Olympics alive.
cali
(114,904 posts)The list of nations that commit atrocities or oppress and persecute certain groups of its own citizens is a long one.
This is not, to quote Voltaire, the best of all possible worlds. The Olympics is supposed to be about putting politics on the shelf and focusing on the universality of sport.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)then the nation should be banned from the Olympics. That enforces the spirit of the Olympics. Other than that, all nations should be there.
cali
(114,904 posts)a very small event.
You seem to not get the point of the Olympics- or know its history.
malaise
(269,056 posts)Rules never apply to all. Jimmy Carter no less spoke about apartheid in Israel. If you're friends with the powerful, you get a pass.
Politics in the Olympics is the same as all other global politics.
Is there a difference between state sponsored doping and corporate sponsored doping?
cali
(114,904 posts)drawing the comparison between South African apartheid. But isn't what is practiced against Saudi women apartheid? Oppression on a pretty dramatic scale? What distinction do you make between the two? How about countries that persecute and even put to death through legal processes, LGBT people?
malaise
(269,056 posts)including big powerful ones would not be allowed to participate.
This rubbish about let's be friends for two weeks is a freaking joke.
I am responding to Israel v Lebanon -were I a Lebanese athlete or official, I would not be on the bus either. I buy nothing made in Israel by choice.
cali
(114,904 posts)a reasonable person to believe that you hold some anti-Semitic beliefs.
And alert away folks. But this is not acceptable.
malaise
(269,056 posts)Enjoy yourselves.
I give no country a pass - Israel has violated UN regulations countless times. If you find that anti-Semetic so be it.
I will never assist in financing their treatment of Palestinians or the theft of their land.
JI7
(89,252 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)and atrocities. The only ones that have to apologize are those that commit the human rights abuses and their defenders.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Could have been solved a long time ago if their Muslim brothers would have taken them in a long time ago. But of course that didn't happen because the PTB in those countries wanted a club they could they could use to keep beating up on Israel, and thus keep their people distracted from their oppressive reign.
cali
(114,904 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)while they consult their list of dogwhistles and veiled codewords.
cali
(114,904 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)Why can't we ban them? Can we ban every country where killing LGBTQ, apostates, athiests, honor killings & misogyny are acceptable?
I can get on board with that.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Everyone has noticed that the poster who made that "highminded" statement about Israel has nothing to say to anyone who is questioning it. Shows a complete lack of convictions and courage.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)There are DOZENS of countries that would qualify for banishment under your definition. And and I see you ignore that ONLY Israel is being held to this standard. It's why this bullshit will be rightfully be ignored.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"A 2014 UN Commission of Inquiry found that abuses in North Korea were without parallel in the contemporary world."
https://www.hrw.org/asia/north-korea
hack89
(39,171 posts)every non-democratic country for denying people basic civil liberties? Or just Israel?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)if certain elements coughHezbollahcough found out they had shared a bus with Israelis.
JI7
(89,252 posts)They should be banned for this type of behavior.