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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 08:00 AM Aug 2016

Lebanese Olympians ‘refuse to ride in bus with Israelis’

Members of the Lebanese delegation to the 2016 Olympic Games refused to travel on the same bus as their Israeli counterparts to the opening ceremony in Rio on Friday, with some attempting to block athletes from entering the vehicle, according to a report by an Israeli trainer who claimed to have witnessed the scene.

“I kept on insisting that we board the bus and said that if the Lebanese did not want to board as well they are welcome to leave,” Udi Gal, the Israeli sailing team trainer, wrote in a Facebook post Friday.

“The bus driver opened the door, but this time the head of the Lebanese delegation blocked the aisle and entrance. The organizers wanted to avoid an international and physical incident and sent us away to a different bus.”

So far, no official response on behalf of the delegations was given regarding the incident. The Olympic organizing committee has not yet offered any statement about the incident either.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/lebanese-olympic-team-demands-israelis-be-removed-from-shared-bus/?utm_content=buffer52ee1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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Lebanese Olympians ‘refuse to ride in bus with Israelis’ (Original Post) oberliner Aug 2016 OP
Then leave them to find their own transportation Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #1
ah yes, the camraderie of the Olympics. cali Aug 2016 #2
This seems like a particular issue that Israel athletes face oberliner Aug 2016 #3
I doubt it. cali Aug 2016 #4
Maybe Greece and turkey yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #5
Israel has devastated Lebanon with its wars. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #6
Syria has caused far greater devastation across Lebanon oberliner Aug 2016 #8
Israel has bombed the shit out of Lebanon more than once. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #9
And there are nations participating that execute LGBT, other countries have LGBT athletes Bluenorthwest Aug 2016 #10
So you agree that Israeli athletes should not be allowed on the same bus as Lebanese athletes? oberliner Aug 2016 #15
It depends on Israel allowing all people under Israel's control to participate. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #23
Gymnasts from North & South Korea at the #OpeningCeremony take a selfie with each other oberliner Aug 2016 #38
This is what sarisataka Aug 2016 #47
I actually fear for the North Korean athlete in the selfie citood Aug 2016 #54
You really ought to delete your comparison of Gaza COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #21
Hamas Tourist Video MosheFeingold Aug 2016 #50
Quite a "concentration camp" nt COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #51
Obesity in Gaza MosheFeingold Aug 2016 #55
Holeee shit! Egnever Aug 2016 #60
Yep. Those diabolical Joos. COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #61
Source? citood Aug 2016 #53
EXACTLY Takket Aug 2016 #36
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #11
I would point you to Blue's post just above yours. cali Aug 2016 #14
None of them will respond to what I wrote because they know they are defending a double Bluenorthwest Aug 2016 #25
Perpetual victims? oberliner Aug 2016 #17
I don't think figuring out what was said in that post is particularly difficult. cali Aug 2016 #20
"Some folks", eh? Codeine Aug 2016 #27
Yeah, Jews. Oops, I'm sure that was just Israelis and has nothing to do with anti-semitism. cali Aug 2016 #28
That is a big time antisemtc dog whistle. iandhr Aug 2016 #46
Wouldn't iraqi's be justified then to not hang with the American Olympians ? yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #19
How about Russian and Ukranian athletes? oberliner Aug 2016 #41
They shouldn't be allowed leftynyc Aug 2016 #7
After the last slaughter in Gaza malaise Aug 2016 #12
Are there any other countries that you think should be banned from the Olympics? oberliner Aug 2016 #13
Russia, for massively cheating. alarimer Aug 2016 #59
North Korea? oberliner Aug 2016 #62
How about Saudi Arabia? Syria? Malaysia? cali Aug 2016 #16
Hmmm....Israel...slaughter...Olympics... Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #22
In a civilized world Israel should be banned from the Olympics for what they did to the Gazans, cpwm17 Aug 2016 #24
How about Saudi Arabia for its apartheid of women? Malaysia? Uganda? cali Aug 2016 #26
If they don't allow the wrong type of person to participate in the Olympics cpwm17 Aug 2016 #30
"wrong type" of person? Yikes. And in that case, the Olympics would be cali Aug 2016 #31
It's all BS malaise Aug 2016 #35
You did not respond to my query. You have stated that Israel should be banned from the Olympics cali Aug 2016 #37
The IOC has never practiced what it preached or countless countries malaise Aug 2016 #43
Deflect and deflect some more. You have a blatant and disturbing double standard that could lead cali Aug 2016 #44
The OP was classic obfuscation malaise Aug 2016 #45
how about the treatment of Women and Gays by many countries ? JI7 Aug 2016 #58
No one should have to apologize for condemning a nation that commits major human rights abuses cpwm17 Aug 2016 #48
The "problem" of the Palestinians MicaelS Aug 2016 #56
How about responding to some of the questions posed to you? cali Aug 2016 #29
There's always a short delay Codeine Aug 2016 #32
You mean a lack of courage. cali Aug 2016 #34
Does that apply to the Palestinians also? katsy Aug 2016 #33
Excellent question leftynyc Aug 2016 #40
Spare me the drama leftynyc Aug 2016 #39
North Korea is participating oberliner Aug 2016 #42
Should Russia be banned for Crimea? NK for enslaving its people? hack89 Aug 2016 #52
ugly stuff, I wonder if there was some element of fear of reprisal geek tragedy Aug 2016 #49
fuck them. JI7 Aug 2016 #57
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. This seems like a particular issue that Israel athletes face
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 08:19 AM
Aug 2016

Not sure if there are similar stories for athletes from other countries. Maybe there is?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
18. Maybe Greece and turkey
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:33 AM
Aug 2016

We held a joint task force military operation and the military in both countries refused to work in the office at the same time. A scheduling nightmare but it was done.

Response to oberliner (Original post)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. Syria has caused far greater devastation across Lebanon
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:31 AM
Aug 2016

Yet nothing like this would ever occur between athletes from those two countries.

This is the Olympics.

The whole point is to show that athletes can get along with one another in the spirit of universal humanity in spite of what various governments might be doing.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
9. Israel has bombed the shit out of Lebanon more than once.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:39 AM
Aug 2016

Americans in the same situation would probably do the same thing, The US didn't even show up to the 1980 Olympics due to the Soviet's war in Afghanistan, a war the US helped provoke

Now this is something that violates the spirit of universal humanity:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/israel-blocks-olympics-bound-palestinian-travel-160802202751580.html

Israeli authorities have prevented the head of the Palestinian Olympic team from leaving the Gaza Strip to be with his team in Brazil, according to a senior Palestinian official.

"Israel did not give Issam Qishta a permit to leave Gaza and therefore he was not able to join the rest of the Olympic team in Brazil," Munther Masalmeh, secretary-general of the Palestinian Olympic Committee, told the Dpa news agency on Tuesday.

Israel wouldn't allow him to leave the Gaza concentration camp to participate in the Olympics.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. And there are nations participating that execute LGBT, other countries have LGBT athletes
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:52 AM
Aug 2016

Would you say that it would be proper to snub the fuck out of the Saudi team members because their government subjects LGBT and others to the lash and to death? Or are we supposed to 'understand' that it is 'different' when we are systemically executed and show good will toward those Saudi athletes?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. So you agree that Israeli athletes should not be allowed on the same bus as Lebanese athletes?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:24 AM
Aug 2016

Do you think Israeli athletes should even be allowed to participate in the Olympics?

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
23. It depends on Israel allowing all people under Israel's control to participate.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:53 AM
Aug 2016

Apartheid South Africa discriminated against black athletes so they ware banned from the Olympics. That should be the standard. Israel hasn't been banned at this point, and to this point, I haven't directly promote that idea.

The International Olympic Committee should make sure all nations don't violate the rights of their athletes to participate, or be banned.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
47. This is what
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:59 PM
Aug 2016

The Olympics is supposed to be about. Building camaraderie through sport and competition.

citood

(550 posts)
54. I actually fear for the North Korean athlete in the selfie
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 05:53 PM
Aug 2016

I've been to the Korean border...and they are fascinated with propaganda photos. We were warned about this before getting off the bus - told not to make any hand gestures, etc., and sure enough, photographers would try to discretely lean out from behind a post, and snap our pictures.

So I don't know why I'm weirded out about this, but I'm not sure the dictator will like a photo of a gymnast smiling with a South Korean.

BTW, having been to South Korea, I don't believe South Koreans dislike or hate North Koreans at all. Its more like a family that worries about a relative that has been taken in by a cult.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
55. Obesity in Gaza
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:14 PM
Aug 2016

Is the among the highest in the world:

http://www.economist.com/node/8846631

So much so that weight loss centers are a booming business:

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/03/gaza-palestinan-obesity-diseases-diet-fitness.html

I guess the evil Joooos are feeding the Arabs in Gaza to death. Just like the Germans in Dachau when they force fed prisoners strudel!

Takket

(21,578 posts)
36. EXACTLY
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:49 AM
Aug 2016

The whole point of the Olympics is to put political divisions aside and compete on a level playing field in the spirit of togetherness. If every country that had a beef with another country refused to travel with or compete against them, there would be no games. The loudest cheer during the parade last night (besides Brazil) was for the refugee athletes and all they symbolize by competing in these games.

Take the politics and cram them for two weeks.

Otherwise we have a games of USA refusing to play GB over the American revolution

France refusing to play Germany over WW2 invasion

China refusing to play Mongolia

you could go on and on.

Response to cpwm17 (Reply #6)

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. None of them will respond to what I wrote because they know they are defending a double
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:03 AM
Aug 2016

standard. They can't discuss the principles involved.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. Perpetual victims?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:25 AM
Aug 2016

Force folks to be nice to them?

What are you talking about?

Were there other athletes that this happened to?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
28. Yeah, Jews. Oops, I'm sure that was just Israelis and has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:06 AM
Aug 2016
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
19. Wouldn't iraqi's be justified then to not hang with the American Olympians ?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:34 AM
Aug 2016

No stories of any problems at this point.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
7. They shouldn't be allowed
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:25 AM
Aug 2016

to compete. It goes against the very message of the Olympics...did they not watch the opening ceremony? Why is it only Israel has to put up with shit like this?

malaise

(269,056 posts)
12. After the last slaughter in Gaza
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:57 AM
Aug 2016

Israel should have been banned from the Olympics. Ask South Africa why they were banned from international sport for decades.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. Are there any other countries that you think should be banned from the Olympics?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:16 AM
Aug 2016

Or just Israel?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
62. North Korea?
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 09:09 AM
Aug 2016
A 2014 UN Commission of Inquiry found that abuses in North Korea were without parallel in the contemporary world. They include extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions, and other sexual violence.

https://www.hrw.org/asia/north-korea


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. How about Saudi Arabia? Syria? Malaysia?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:25 AM
Aug 2016

Or is it just Israel? Do you think that what the Saudis practice isn't apartheid against women?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
22. Hmmm....Israel...slaughter...Olympics...
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:44 AM
Aug 2016

wonder if they've suffered anything like that before...

(I can guess what you'd have to say about Munich)
 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
24. In a civilized world Israel should be banned from the Olympics for what they did to the Gazans,
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:00 AM
Aug 2016

but then the US should be banned for the Iraq War and Saudi Arabia should be banned for Yemen, etc.

Most nations wouldn't be banned by this standard, but it still could get ugly.

The best that the International Olympic Committee can probably do is ban nations that discriminate against their athletes, such that the wrong type of person isn't allowed to participate. That would keep the spirit of the Olympics alive.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
26. How about Saudi Arabia for its apartheid of women? Malaysia? Uganda?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:04 AM
Aug 2016

The list of nations that commit atrocities or oppress and persecute certain groups of its own citizens is a long one.

This is not, to quote Voltaire, the best of all possible worlds. The Olympics is supposed to be about putting politics on the shelf and focusing on the universality of sport.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
30. If they don't allow the wrong type of person to participate in the Olympics
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:08 AM
Aug 2016

then the nation should be banned from the Olympics. That enforces the spirit of the Olympics. Other than that, all nations should be there.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
31. "wrong type" of person? Yikes. And in that case, the Olympics would be
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:11 AM
Aug 2016

a very small event.

You seem to not get the point of the Olympics- or know its history.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
35. It's all BS
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:40 AM
Aug 2016

Rules never apply to all. Jimmy Carter no less spoke about apartheid in Israel. If you're friends with the powerful, you get a pass.

Politics in the Olympics is the same as all other global politics.
Is there a difference between state sponsored doping and corporate sponsored doping?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. You did not respond to my query. You have stated that Israel should be banned from the Olympics
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:58 AM
Aug 2016

drawing the comparison between South African apartheid. But isn't what is practiced against Saudi women apartheid? Oppression on a pretty dramatic scale? What distinction do you make between the two? How about countries that persecute and even put to death through legal processes, LGBT people?

malaise

(269,056 posts)
43. The IOC has never practiced what it preached or countless countries
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:18 PM
Aug 2016

including big powerful ones would not be allowed to participate.
This rubbish about let's be friends for two weeks is a freaking joke.
I am responding to Israel v Lebanon -were I a Lebanese athlete or official, I would not be on the bus either. I buy nothing made in Israel by choice.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
44. Deflect and deflect some more. You have a blatant and disturbing double standard that could lead
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:21 PM
Aug 2016

a reasonable person to believe that you hold some anti-Semitic beliefs.

And alert away folks. But this is not acceptable.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
45. The OP was classic obfuscation
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:25 PM
Aug 2016

Enjoy yourselves.
I give no country a pass - Israel has violated UN regulations countless times. If you find that anti-Semetic so be it.
I will never assist in financing their treatment of Palestinians or the theft of their land.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
48. No one should have to apologize for condemning a nation that commits major human rights abuses
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:23 PM
Aug 2016

and atrocities. The only ones that have to apologize are those that commit the human rights abuses and their defenders.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
56. The "problem" of the Palestinians
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:28 PM
Aug 2016

Could have been solved a long time ago if their Muslim brothers would have taken them in a long time ago. But of course that didn't happen because the PTB in those countries wanted a club they could they could use to keep beating up on Israel, and thus keep their people distracted from their oppressive reign.


 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
32. There's always a short delay
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:15 AM
Aug 2016

while they consult their list of dogwhistles and veiled codewords.

katsy

(4,246 posts)
33. Does that apply to the Palestinians also?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:34 AM
Aug 2016
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/world/middleeast/fatah-makes-incendiary-facebook-claim-of-killing-11000-israelis.html?referer=https://www.google.com/


Why can't we ban them? Can we ban every country where killing LGBTQ, apostates, athiests, honor killings & misogyny are acceptable?

I can get on board with that.
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
40. Excellent question
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:07 PM
Aug 2016

Everyone has noticed that the poster who made that "highminded" statement about Israel has nothing to say to anyone who is questioning it. Shows a complete lack of convictions and courage.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. Spare me the drama
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:05 PM
Aug 2016

There are DOZENS of countries that would qualify for banishment under your definition. And and I see you ignore that ONLY Israel is being held to this standard. It's why this bullshit will be rightfully be ignored.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
42. North Korea is participating
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:18 PM
Aug 2016

"A 2014 UN Commission of Inquiry found that abuses in North Korea were without parallel in the contemporary world."

https://www.hrw.org/asia/north-korea

hack89

(39,171 posts)
52. Should Russia be banned for Crimea? NK for enslaving its people?
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 05:25 PM
Aug 2016

every non-democratic country for denying people basic civil liberties? Or just Israel?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
49. ugly stuff, I wonder if there was some element of fear of reprisal
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:27 PM
Aug 2016

if certain elements coughHezbollahcough found out they had shared a bus with Israelis.

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