Hillary's crushing it by taking the high road. Going after Melania over what's really a minor infraction at best gives up that ground and plays into stereotypes of Hillary that she's working hard to overcome. Let teh media do what it wants, but we need to be above it.

does is to badmouth immigrants who are not from Europe and threaten to deport those immigrants of a certain faith even when they are also citizens. And when she herself has been an enthusiastic advocate of the birther movement.

The hypocrisy needs to be pointed out - as many times and as often as possible.

But I agree that we can leave this primarily to the bottom-feeding media as it's about all they're good for. We should be working our tails off for Hillary and other Dems in November.

He is dirty and corrupt.

Trump has a million real issues we can attack him on.

Let me see - she was part of the birther shit and so is her husband. And they are the anti-immigration posse.
Fair game is right

Himself we can go after. Things that are current and actually affect people directly. This attack on her will only make her more sympathetic. All she has to do is give an interview where she cries and
Apologizes for a past mistake. It only makes her a hypocrite if Don The Con never knew about her
Visa status. This is so far down the list of offenses, and Hillary should stay far away from it.

Expose them in every sphere - in all their dealings - they are despicable scumbags.

about writing her CONvention speech. Which turned out to be deceptive on its face, to begin with, even before the plagiarism problem surfaced.

I don't think she quite qualifies as a true "noncombatant".

People think it's fair game to go after Hillary for what Bill has done. The only reason they stopped talking about his affairs is because they weren't getting any traction with it.

she will come across sympathetic and we will look like bullies. Look how they wanted to give her
A pass for the plagiarized speech. Everyone, even Democratic pundits were so sorry for her. They knew. She was sabotaged. If Michelle had done this they would have savaged her!!

Nothing is fair and this is one of those things. I think we should attack him on other things primarily Russia and the attack of the Khans. His mental instability, his 50,000 lies every other day.
These are about Trump. Leave the wife alone

foster

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/new-documents-prove-hillary-clinton-murder-cover/

remember that?

Part and parcel...

She's stuck with him and has been dragged into this campaign. Attacking her only serves the purpose of vengeance and it is no different from the way Trump & co smear other immigrants. That is what we should criticize. Becoming them compromises our credibility.

Or, would Trump have run whether she wanted him to or not?

I doubt he gave a shit one way or the other.

If Trump can attack Mrs Khan then his wife is fair game.
Same thing for his kids - they chose to get involved in this race.

His wife was hit first, before Khan spoke and essentially asked us to vote (D) to honor his deceased son.

Too much defining oneself in opposition to the other, to much "vote for my candidate, here are all the reasons you will hate my opponent if you've got any decency."

Do Americans care about this?

demonizing immigrants is demonizing immigrants. Who the hate is directed at doesn't change the fact that it is hate and an expression of everything xenophobia is about.

Questioning whether Melania broke the law in light of what her husband says about immigrants isn't the same as hating her. No one has said they hate her or that she should be deported. Only her husband says such things.

is actually different than hate directed at an immigrant who, in fact, got here via other means? Hate is hate.

And by the way, no one hates Melania. If she broke the law where is hate involved?

have legal status or an immigrant from south of the border who entered the US without going through a process that would make their immigration legal. Attacking what Trump attacks, is being everything that Trump stands for - hate.

Then, if they fit the group you don't like, you dig and dig and dig. "Aha, this person *might* have done this 20 years ago, and if so it's important that we find out. After all, facts are facts."

It's not the facts, per se. It's the single-minded determination to dig up as much dirt and humiliate the person as much as possible based on hoping that "might" = "did."

She apparently had a photoshot in the US while here a tourist visa. For no pay. And working for no pay might constitute "working" and might be a violation of the visa requirements. Similarly, she might have been married before and that marriage, if it existed, might have been a sham marriage. At least a partisan lawyer who worked (meaning "works" as far as the news is concerned, what's past is present) for Trump remembers this green-card "fact" from over a decade ago, and speculates about what kind of visa she had.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/82844848/former-modeling-agent-says-he-got-melania-trumps-visa
Don't know if it's true.

But it's unlikely she got hitched and proved to ICE in just a few short years that she was really and truly married for years without there being any easily available records. Note that you don't need to be married to get a green card. The problem with immigration from some countries is that so many people want to immigrate that the marriage "thing" puts you close to the top of the list. Slovenians ... Not that numerous, and probably not the same incentive to migrate to the US as with lesser developed or fractured countries. It's small, and if you're going to leave Slovenija you're probably going to jump the border to Austria (where there's a "indigenous" Slovenian population or Germany. Probably not to Italy, given the rocky relations they had after WWII.

First I don't think it would help the Clinton campaign to go after her. Stick with the dipshit donnie message.
Second for media a different story. They should report on it if there were illegal activities going on.

Donald Trump himself by opening his big fat mouth

posed for and knew they would be distributed.

They targeted Chelsea. They have gone after the Obama girls. They went after Amy Carter. The GOP made it permissible to go after family members, and Melania has several weak spots. My feeling is, they get the respect they give - and they give none.

we should get down in the mud with the pigs? I see what people are saying, but I lean more toward focusing on Trump. Keep pinging him and he is going to lose it soon.

on edit: reminds me of "never wrestle with a pig. You get muddy, and the pig likes it"

I learned that at a young age. I was bullied a lot as a child, and nothing worked to stop it. Not discussions with bullies parents, or both of my parents visiting the School Principal to request it be stopped. Even two of them getting sued for assault didn't end it. Police = Useless.

It ended when one day I just finally had enough and went into a rage after getting corned and attacked, nearly beating one of them to death. If others hadn't pulled me off, I might have succeeded in killing him. That ended years of pain and I only had one other encounter, during which I also opened a can of whoop-ass, and won that fight while my opponent lay on the road with a concussion.

Now I'm not calling for violence on the Trump front, but this guy loves to attack the family members of people who oppose him. It's time he feels what that is like!

It may just be me, but I don't like it. I once compared Barbara Bush to the Quaker Oats guy, and hated myself for doing that. I'm just funny, I guess.

Said this recently!!😜

The pukes are the political equivalent of a gang of schoolyard bullies. If you attempt to quiet a schoolyard bully by appealing to his better nature, it will never work because bullies have no better nature. He knows you're too scared to challenge him and he gets worse - EXACTLY what the Republicans have been doing since the 1980 election. If you get six or seven people together and beat the bully so badly it takes brain surgery to save his life, it solves the problem. This is what Hillary is doing with Trump, and it appears to be working.

shitty tactics and risk becoming just like them. Democrats are, and should want to remain, better people than the average shitty Republican.

We're talking about Republicans and what they do. This results in my frequent use of the word "shitty".

Democrats will NEVER be able to beat Republican and the "Christian" right at the game of taking the low road.

Trump supplies plenty of chum whenever he opens his mouth. Melaniagate will never be more than a diversion.

to go all out on her. I think right now is a critical window for bringing in independent and upset GOP voters. I think if we do go after her, we could lose a substantial number of those voters that are unexpectedly available just for the picking. We need to standout against Trump, not copy him.

True or not, it gets people to attack poor little Melania and take their attention off the Orange Menace. His supporters will be angry that his wife is being attacked and love him for defending her. Any gain for Clinton is minor.

They want to bring up Bill, just remind them that the main reason most of us ever heard of Donald Trump in the first place was because his affair with Marla Maples was the big scandal of the 90s. Honestly, I can't believe nobody has been hitting that asshole with his own dirty laundry.

One policy for Mexicans and Muslims.
One policy for rich people who need a 3rd wife.

is ALWAYS relevant. The Con says we must vigorously enforce immigration laws AND that he is the "LAW AND ORDER" candidate. His actions vis-a-vis Melania bear upon those issues. Those occur to me immediately and there are probably others.

He further says the Khans are fair game because Mr. Khan spoke at the convention. So------ Melania. Not to mention that it is the Cons' actions and statements regarding his wife's history that is at issue. Has anyone here personally attacked Melania?

She single handedly will prevent the gop from attacking the spouse of a dem candidate who also might be a naked,plagerizing paid escort with a dubious immigration history.

"I don't think her past has anything to do with his candidacy, so if she says she was here legally while she was making soft core lesbian pornography, I say we take her at her word."

Let their own prejudices sink them.

And I hope they go for it because anything that will make Trump continue to self destruct (He won't handle this well!) is good. Hillary has kept her cool and dealt with all kinds of BS from the press/right wing radio etc... conspiracy theories and accusations about her and her husband. Let's see if Trump has her strength and grace under fire. Also, after watching Melanie on The View talking about how President Obama needs to show his birth certificate, I no longer think she is off limits. I encourage everyone to watch the video clip. She could have just said that she preferred not to comment or discuss it. But no! She was all in promoting the birtherism crap.

Trump has trashed them. Pulling their credentials for his events. Even going so far as talking about suing the press and making lots of money. He tells them to sit down and shut up. The media is gathering steam and may just be the ones to take this sociopath out.

Every politician who ever ran for dogcatcher all the way up to the highest offices in the land have used their wives, children, dogs and cats as props. The politician who has never printed a brochure with the goofy family picture in it is the only who can claim that family members are off limits.

I didn't like it when the other side did it, and I don't think we should do it either. If some news outlets choose to run with a story, then that's their prerogative. But I don't think we need to get in the gutter...especially since she has stayed out of the fray.

fine with that. I think it will very instructive to the voters to see the difference between how Hillary handles press stories about Bill etc. and how Trump will handle it. If he goes ballistic about the Melania story before November, it will be good. Because we don't want any chance of him winning the presidency and then getting upset about something and really "going ballistic"...if you know what I mean.

If you can't find something to attack Trump with and have to go after Melania, you're not looking hard enough.

Attacking Melania is something the right wing would do.

Yes, they do it- and I think it sucks when they do. Michelle Obama's right. When they go low, we go high. Plenty to slam Trump on without going after the wife or kids.

That is, if he actually cares about anybody besides himself.

Melania is Nat'l Enquirer bait - "sexy" with a scandal. The rags are read regularly by the low information voters, and many will form their own conclusions, but this is a story that the Democrats should keep at a distance.