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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAPA releases statement telling members to stop linking Trump to mental illness
In short: dont call the blustery billionaire mentally ill.
According to the Washington Post, the APA has had a longstanding standard known as the Goldwater Rule which states:
On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.
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This year, the election seems like anything but a normal contest, that has at times devolved into outright vitriol. The unique atmosphere of this years election cycle may lead some to want to psychoanalyze the candidates, but to do so would not only be unethical, it would be irresponsible, wrote APA President Maria A. Oquendo.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/american-psychiatric-association-pleads-with-members-stop-linking-donald-trump-to-mental-illness/
louis c
(8,652 posts)says it all.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They are, however, disorders intractable to treatment and in strong forms, such as Trump constantly displays, disabling in a variety of ways. They can and do literally interfere with cognition so that even the abilities to process and react to information are disordered.
Donald isn't crazy, as the AMA indicates. But if you trusted him to take care of your cat while you were on vacation and the cat died, it'd be your fault. If he stole money you gave his charity to prevent blindness in children, you'd be at fault for not understanding his real inability to care about such things. And if you trusted him to oversee your business while you away, YOU'd be crazy.
louis c
(8,652 posts)A 70 year old man, while sober, who publically ridicules a disabled person, has more than a "personality disorder". He's stark, raving nuts.
cali
(114,904 posts)Hell, it's obviously been irresistible. Hell, let the shrinks keep analyzing him from afar. It's not like he doesn't present enough material.
C_U_L8R
(45,000 posts)and should be able to certify that they are sane.
Seems only sane, no?
But agree these armchair docs aren't helping anyone.
Always seemed more of a self-promotion tactic
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Anyone who wants the job, and thinks they are suitable for it, IMHO has a heck of an ego.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)"it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement. "
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)1. You can't make a diagnosis without proper evaluation of the person.
2. You cannot make a professional diagnosis public without authorization.
This is true with any profession in the public health field.
They can make general comments and answer general questions about mental illness or people with mental illness in general. But going on TV and specifically calling Trump "mentally ill" is not only unethical, but it risks litigation. Trump could potentially sue these experts for slander since they didn't perform an examination but are offering a professional diagnosis to the public.
3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)...for a very long time, as I have, it doesn't take long to know whether or not you have to worry about a patient. I have been a pediatric nurse practitioner for 40 years. I can often tell, within moments of walking in an exam room, if a child has a serious illness or not. I won't know what they have until I have completed my exam, but I will likely know if it is clinically worrisome.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Siwsan
(26,260 posts)Ok, it will never happen, but still...........
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)to teach them how to manipulate the results to their advantage. Oh, wait they can afford it they will have them. Lie scales don't work if people know how to identify them.
Siwsan
(26,260 posts)Because he is so much smarter than everyone else.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Just pointing out that it would be an unworkable practice.
Siwsan
(26,260 posts)But I seriously believe that Trump is demented.
mopinko
(70,090 posts)i seriously think it is alzheimer's myself.
w a hefty dose of personality disorder, sure. but he has a whole different world view than when he was younger.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)something mentally wrong with this man. It could not be any more obvious.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Being ignorant, lazy, rejecting all criticism, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and xenophobic are not clinical conditions. If they were considered symptoms of a clinical diagnosis, what would happen to hate crime laws?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Hokie
(4,286 posts)LOL
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)"Members should feel free, however, to nod sagely whenever someone says Mr. Trump is a fucking nutball loony toon space cadet."
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)as one might put it ...
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Which I actually kind of agree with. I think most of us agree there's something seriously off with Trump, but saying "I am a psychiatrist/psychologist and I believe he's (a narcissist/psychopath) without an examination? Probably not helpful.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)😀
onecaliberal
(32,849 posts)cornball 24
(1,475 posts)as schizophrenia, depression etc. Ergo, I am in total agreement with the APA on this.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Do yo mean to say he has a personality disorder that isn't one of the 6 types of personality disorder maintained in the shift to DSM-5?
Something like personality disorder-trait specified? Which is really a lot like the 'not otherwise specified' in previous editions?
Public diagnosing at a distance like this is unethical and unprofessional.
blogslut
(38,000 posts)in his book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them:
"There's something wrong with her."
Donald Trump: There's something wrong with him.
Kaleva
(36,295 posts)Billionaire Mark Cuban has said he thinks Trump is bat-shit crazy and I agree with Cuban's diagnosis.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)"There's nothing to figure out, General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic."
"We-he-ell, uh, I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in."
womanofthehills
(8,702 posts)However, Dr. Drew Pinsky went on CNN and said Bi-Polar because of Trump's recent mania. I love it - disagreeing over what disorder Trump has - but all agreeing he definitely has a disorder. Add a touch of dementia to the mix.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)researched, if he was bipolar, he would have crashed into a depressive state long ago. nobody can maintain a manic state that long. anybody else here live with this? as awful as the manic phases are, the downs, with my mom as an example, can be SO profound that only extreme measures will work to bring back some measure of balance. she had ECT three times over a 25 year span, and it was the ONLY thing that brought her back from severe catatonic depression.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)If he got elected, Trump would be in command of our military, and be the head of our government's law-enforcement and prosecutors. And he would have the nation's nuclear codes.
And to be blunt, I do not think that Trump's mental health is up to the task. I do not want his finger on the Button.
So explain to me why Trump's mental fitness is not appropriate to discuss?