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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 03:58 PM Aug 2016

APA releases statement telling members to stop linking Trump to mental illness

While admitting that 2016’s presidential campaign is “unique,” the American Psychiatric Association felt it was necessary this week to advise members to avoid analyzing GOP nominee Donald Trump’s antics from afar.

In short: don’t call the blustery billionaire “mentally ill.”

According to the Washington Post, the APA has had a longstanding standard known as the “Goldwater Rule” which states:

On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.

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“This year, the election seems like anything but a normal contest, that has at times devolved into outright vitriol. The unique atmosphere of this year’s election cycle may lead some to want to psychoanalyze the candidates, but to do so would not only be unethical, it would be irresponsible,” wrote APA President Maria A. Oquendo.


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/american-psychiatric-association-pleads-with-members-stop-linking-donald-trump-to-mental-illness/
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APA releases statement telling members to stop linking Trump to mental illness (Original Post) davidn3600 Aug 2016 OP
The fact that the APA has to tell their members that............ louis c Aug 2016 #1
PERSONALITY DISORDERS are not considered illlnesses. Hortensis Aug 2016 #18
I beleive he is crazy louis c Aug 2016 #25
I know they're right, but the temptation must be irresistible cali Aug 2016 #2
I think any candidate should have a clean mental health record C_U_L8R Aug 2016 #3
I think anyone who wants the job has something wrong with them jberryhill Aug 2016 #29
So, stop "practicing" your profession. Hmmm, now that is interesting. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #4
Don't diagnose without doing an exam and getting permission to share the results. That's all. uppityperson Aug 2016 #6
You can't diagnose someone from afar davidn3600 Aug 2016 #7
On the other hand, when you have been a clinician... 3catwoman3 Aug 2016 #12
But they aren't making a formal diagnosis; only giving their opinion. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #34
"it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion ...." uppityperson Aug 2016 #37
Have candidates for higher office take the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory Siwsan Aug 2016 #5
Sure, as long as they don't have coaches loyalsister Aug 2016 #13
Somehow I think that Donald would not take to coaching Siwsan Aug 2016 #23
I was referring to other candidates loyalsister Aug 2016 #31
I'm not particularly suspicious about the sanity of the other candidates Siwsan Aug 2016 #33
i'd settle for an mri. mopinko Aug 2016 #35
I don't think it takes a professional to determine that there is seriously smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #8
WTF does "mentally wrong" mean? loyalsister Aug 2016 #14
Are you really serious? smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #20
APA: Please don't declare the obviously insane man crazy Hokie Aug 2016 #9
This footnote just added: rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #10
"Trump is not unhinged, so stop saying that" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #11
I think it's more don't diagnose without examining... TDale313 Aug 2016 #19
It's a reference to an old DU meme, from before your time muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #24
... TDale313 Aug 2016 #28
They shouldn't be surprised if he's going to show himself for all America to see. onecaliberal Aug 2016 #15
IMHO, Trump has Character/Personality Disorder not to be identified as a defined mental illness such cornball 24 Aug 2016 #16
I'm not sure what you are suggesting. HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #17
Good romana Aug 2016 #21
I prefer the gender equivalent of what Al Franken wrote about Ann Coulter... blogslut Aug 2016 #22
This advisement doesn't apply to us lay people Kaleva Aug 2016 #26
So stop saying that!!!! Rex Aug 2016 #27
Reminded of Dr. Strangelove scene Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #30
Usually - narcissist is the word used for Trump womanofthehills Aug 2016 #32
I saw that....he ended up calling it hypomania. my mother was bipolar, and from what I observed, Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #39
It wasn't cool when it was Terry Schaivo (sp?) & Bil Frist. n/t X_Digger Aug 2016 #36
I think we should be evaluating the mental stability and health of potential Presidents. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #38

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. PERSONALITY DISORDERS are not considered illlnesses.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 05:35 PM
Aug 2016

They are, however, disorders intractable to treatment and in strong forms, such as Trump constantly displays, disabling in a variety of ways. They can and do literally interfere with cognition so that even the abilities to process and react to information are disordered.

Donald isn't crazy, as the AMA indicates. But if you trusted him to take care of your cat while you were on vacation and the cat died, it'd be your fault. If he stole money you gave his charity to prevent blindness in children, you'd be at fault for not understanding his real inability to care about such things. And if you trusted him to oversee your business while you away, YOU'd be crazy.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
25. I beleive he is crazy
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:50 PM
Aug 2016

A 70 year old man, while sober, who publically ridicules a disabled person, has more than a "personality disorder". He's stark, raving nuts.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. I know they're right, but the temptation must be irresistible
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:02 PM
Aug 2016

Hell, it's obviously been irresistible. Hell, let the shrinks keep analyzing him from afar. It's not like he doesn't present enough material.

C_U_L8R

(45,000 posts)
3. I think any candidate should have a clean mental health record
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:04 PM
Aug 2016

and should be able to certify that they are sane.
Seems only sane, no?

But agree these armchair docs aren't helping anyone.
Always seemed more of a self-promotion tactic

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
29. I think anyone who wants the job has something wrong with them
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 08:32 PM
Aug 2016

Anyone who wants the job, and thinks they are suitable for it, IMHO has a heck of an ego.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
6. Don't diagnose without doing an exam and getting permission to share the results. That's all.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:18 PM
Aug 2016

"it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement. "

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
7. You can't diagnose someone from afar
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:19 PM
Aug 2016

1. You can't make a diagnosis without proper evaluation of the person.
2. You cannot make a professional diagnosis public without authorization.

This is true with any profession in the public health field.

They can make general comments and answer general questions about mental illness or people with mental illness in general. But going on TV and specifically calling Trump "mentally ill" is not only unethical, but it risks litigation. Trump could potentially sue these experts for slander since they didn't perform an examination but are offering a professional diagnosis to the public.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
12. On the other hand, when you have been a clinician...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:38 PM
Aug 2016

...for a very long time, as I have, it doesn't take long to know whether or not you have to worry about a patient. I have been a pediatric nurse practitioner for 40 years. I can often tell, within moments of walking in an exam room, if a child has a serious illness or not. I won't know what they have until I have completed my exam, but I will likely know if it is clinically worrisome.

Siwsan

(26,260 posts)
5. Have candidates for higher office take the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:17 PM
Aug 2016

Ok, it will never happen, but still...........

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
13. Sure, as long as they don't have coaches
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:39 PM
Aug 2016

to teach them how to manipulate the results to their advantage. Oh, wait they can afford it they will have them. Lie scales don't work if people know how to identify them.

Siwsan

(26,260 posts)
23. Somehow I think that Donald would not take to coaching
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:20 PM
Aug 2016

Because he is so much smarter than everyone else.

Siwsan

(26,260 posts)
33. I'm not particularly suspicious about the sanity of the other candidates
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 09:27 PM
Aug 2016

But I seriously believe that Trump is demented.

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
35. i'd settle for an mri.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 11:38 PM
Aug 2016

i seriously think it is alzheimer's myself.
w a hefty dose of personality disorder, sure. but he has a whole different world view than when he was younger.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. I don't think it takes a professional to determine that there is seriously
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:23 PM
Aug 2016

something mentally wrong with this man. It could not be any more obvious.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
14. WTF does "mentally wrong" mean?
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:44 PM
Aug 2016

Being ignorant, lazy, rejecting all criticism, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and xenophobic are not clinical conditions. If they were considered symptoms of a clinical diagnosis, what would happen to hate crime laws?

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
10. This footnote just added:
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:30 PM
Aug 2016

"Members should feel free, however, to nod sagely whenever someone says Mr. Trump is a fucking nutball loony toon space cadet."

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
19. I think it's more don't diagnose without examining...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 05:57 PM
Aug 2016

Which I actually kind of agree with. I think most of us agree there's something seriously off with Trump, but saying "I am a psychiatrist/psychologist and I believe he's (a narcissist/psychopath) without an examination? Probably not helpful.

cornball 24

(1,475 posts)
16. IMHO, Trump has Character/Personality Disorder not to be identified as a defined mental illness such
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 05:23 PM
Aug 2016

as schizophrenia, depression etc. Ergo, I am in total agreement with the APA on this.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
17. I'm not sure what you are suggesting.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 05:33 PM
Aug 2016

Do yo mean to say he has a personality disorder that isn't one of the 6 types of personality disorder maintained in the shift to DSM-5?

Something like personality disorder-trait specified? Which is really a lot like the 'not otherwise specified' in previous editions?

blogslut

(38,000 posts)
22. I prefer the gender equivalent of what Al Franken wrote about Ann Coulter...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:15 PM
Aug 2016

in his book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them:

"There's something wrong with her."

Donald Trump: There's something wrong with him.

Kaleva

(36,295 posts)
26. This advisement doesn't apply to us lay people
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:56 PM
Aug 2016

Billionaire Mark Cuban has said he thinks Trump is bat-shit crazy and I agree with Cuban's diagnosis.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
30. Reminded of Dr. Strangelove scene
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 08:52 PM
Aug 2016

"There's nothing to figure out, General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic."

"We-he-ell, uh, I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in."



womanofthehills

(8,702 posts)
32. Usually - narcissist is the word used for Trump
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 09:12 PM
Aug 2016

However, Dr. Drew Pinsky went on CNN and said Bi-Polar because of Trump's recent mania. I love it - disagreeing over what disorder Trump has - but all agreeing he definitely has a disorder. Add a touch of dementia to the mix.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
39. I saw that....he ended up calling it hypomania. my mother was bipolar, and from what I observed,
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 08:27 AM
Aug 2016

researched, if he was bipolar, he would have crashed into a depressive state long ago. nobody can maintain a manic state that long. anybody else here live with this? as awful as the manic phases are, the downs, with my mom as an example, can be SO profound that only extreme measures will work to bring back some measure of balance. she had ECT three times over a 25 year span, and it was the ONLY thing that brought her back from severe catatonic depression.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
38. I think we should be evaluating the mental stability and health of potential Presidents.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 11:50 PM
Aug 2016

If he got elected, Trump would be in command of our military, and be the head of our government's law-enforcement and prosecutors. And he would have the nation's nuclear codes.

And to be blunt, I do not think that Trump's mental health is up to the task. I do not want his finger on the Button.

So explain to me why Trump's mental fitness is not appropriate to discuss?

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