Think about that one for a second. Really... just give it some thought.

Even without the oxymoron, it's a terrible idea.

Yes, very bad idea.

no no no.

I realize the purpose behind this question. It just renders me speechless.

Not to mention a whole list of other countries we've helped to "liberate".

isn't exactly "liberation," particularly if you're a woman or a minority. And I'm still unclear as to why these internal conflicts require our intervention? Why don't we ever see Norway, Japan, or Brazil jump in the fray? Do we have that many expendable military volunteers?

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Is Syria worth starting WW3 over... especially when we're still in Iraq and A'stan and sabre rattling with Iran? Suppose N. Korea decides to attack S. Korea while we're involved in a war involving the middle east and southern asia? We simply dont have the resources, and I doubt we could assemble a coalition for further military adventurism.

Let's let someone else handle this for a change.

Thanks for the thread, NNN0LHI.

is L. Paul busy?

I'd imagine weapons contractors are pretty stuffed after the decade long feeding frenzy. We can hold out on Syria until we really need a little boost to our war economy and we can give the next generation of kids a chance to enlist and kill poor people for a paycheck under the guise of freedom.

Your push poll is stupid - that's my vote.

Ps death toll in syria is now more that 14,000.

I think that would help.

Obama is considering targeted strikes to take out assads C and C.

Russia's involvement makes things tricky though.

I would think they would be very concerned about what happens in their back yard. Or is it that Turkish involvement might resuscitate old resentments among the people dating back to the Ottoman Empire? I'd enjoy reading opinions by individuals familiar with the region on this issue.

The relationship between the two countries has collapsed, probably due to a couple of things. One, the two countries share a large border so 10s of thousands of syrian refugees are flooding into Turkey for safety, two there have been several outbreaks of violence at the border, killing a couple Turks and three, the Turks believe that Syria is providing a safe haven for the PKK (kurdish terrorist group). The Turks consider the PKK an existential threat and Erdogan is going to push the West harder and harder to intervene in Syria in order to prevent them from growing in strength.

would be so anxious to start another war in another of the PNAC listed nations?

Thank god this time Russia will use its veto power to stop yet another tragic disaster.

How about stopping the flow of weapons into Syria and exposing the presence of our latest proxy armies, such as Qatar troops and Blackwater et al? Or have you not read Hillary's interview explaining how clever we are now, using proxies and drones to conduct our wars, because we know that the US being openly involved anymore in the ME or Africa naturally meets with huge opposition around the world.

Too bad Russia and China did not use their veto power during the Bush lies about Iraq before the UN. So many lives could have been saved.

You surely are not condoning the US assassinating heads of state of sovereign nations? I mean that would make the US a rogue state rampaging around the globe killing people we don't like.

What do you think of Karamov of Uzbekistan btw, should the US assassinate him or help arm the people of that dictatorship? How about Bahrain? Saudi Arabia? Uganda?

Why Syria? And can you please present the laws that permit the US to engage in the murder of heads of state of other countries.

in just a few years, with more than 11,000 in 2011 alone. And according to those trying to calculate the death toll, the numbers are probably higher as many deaths and disappearances go unreported.

And since we are the cause of the now tragic War on Drugs, you'd think people would be calling for us to do something about it.

I guess the Drug War is still profitable, and a War in Syria would be another of the countries on the Neocon PNAC list checked off.

Not to mention that the question needs to be asked, 'who has been funding the armed Revolution in Syria?' Ordinary people do not have the sophisticated weapons pouring into Syria available to them.

Some people think the Western Allies have more than a little to do with this and now, cynically, are ready to move in hoping the outrage over the tragic circumstances will get them the support they need.

It doesn't seem to be working anymore. After Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and all of our other failed foreign adventures, except for the MIC of course, people are much more difficult to fool.

Do you think we should legalize Heroin, Cocaine and Methamphetamine? Seems like a bad idea to me, though I would definitely support legalizing weed.

Keep in mind that when you blame the US for the drug war in Mexico you are basically blaming drug addicts who are often very low income Americans.

for the beginning of the destruction of Constitutional rights.

Other countries will now make the decision that we should have made decades ago, for us, as many are moving to decriminalizing drugs. Including even allies such as Colombia. It's a bit late for all those who are dead but since the US shows no sign of doing the right thing, other nations are realizing how wrong they were to participate in these failed policies. When the money is taken out of drugs, the incentive to be a drug lord will no longer be there.

There will always be addicts as addiction is a disease. There always have been. But criminalizing drugs has not cured addiction and has actually turned into a major war where far too many people are dying.

Addicts are not responsible for the Drug War. Addicts should be treated, not incarcerated. If we wanted to diminish the demand we would have spent money on treatment rather than prisons.

Countries that have focused on treatment have succeeded. Blaming addicts is like blaming cancer patients. Addiction is an illness, like Anorexia or any other desease. Jailing anorexics would not have solved the problem even though at one time people did not recognize it as a desease either.

So what is your solution, after decades of the current policies, there has not been a dent in reducing the demand.

But talk of decriminalization or legalization of hard drugs in the US is a waste of time - it's never going to happen.

In the long term Mexico could try to increase wages and reduce artificial barriers for small business startups, that could help improve living conditions for the average person and reduce the attraction of the drug trade.

being dragged reluctantly to do what should have been done decades ago.

Prohibition never works, nor was it intended to unless we believe that those in charge of this failed, decades long disaster are completely stupid.

The solution is to decriminalize drugs and to invest heavily in treatment and it seems other countries are sick of waiting for the US to lead the way, seeing that the so-called WOD created a far worse problem than the problem itself.

The only ones profiting from this are the Drug Cartels who didn't exist until the Drug War created them. And of course drug money provides slush funds for various 'causes' so the US is not likely to want to end it. Hopefully without the cooperation of the rest of the world, they will have no choice.

You can barely say "what the Syrian government is doing kind of sucks' without some people parsing that as a call to send in the bayonets.

MacArthur ruled Japan like a 20th-century Shogun. The Soviet occupation of Axis territories probably didn't feel very liberating to anyone. West Germany was only "liberated" because of the very real danger that it might otherwise "go red" if the western Allies pushed too hard.

Sometimes occupation can be necessary, but to call it "liberating" in any circumstance is deceitful and stupid.

Once the occupation ended...

See, being occupied is more or less the opposite of being liberated. Occupying for liberty is a lot like holding a charity orgy for celibacy.

and no fucking no.

Let them deal with their own problems. I'm tired of spending all of our frigging money blowing up and rebuilding other countries. We need to rebuild here. We need to spend here.