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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Ancient history.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:41 AM
Aug 2016

Clearly Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are responsible for everything that is wrong in the world.

On a sane note:
I agree that the Democrats should remind people of this and not assume that the average voter knows this. Lies should be confronted every time they are said.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
2. Dems aren't defending the withdrawal because they supported it.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:52 AM
Aug 2016

They'd be setting themselves up for supporting the breakdown in Iraq that resulted.. And the corporate media bobble heads will aid in any gop meme, as we've witnessed over and over again.









Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
6. No shame in us defending the withdrawal IMHO
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:09 PM
Aug 2016

Obama ran on opposition to the invasion and openly supported withdrawing as soon as possible- and caught some flak from the left for not getting us out of there sooner. Democrats supported a timetable in Congress in 2007, which, unfortunately, failed due to Republican opposition and Bush's veto. Of course, the GOP has never been forced to fully agree that we should have never invaded in the first place, never been forced to explain how many more days, months, years, decades, centuries, etc. they think we should have stayed there (or how we were going to pay for it), nor have they been forced to defend/justifying keeping our troops there over the objections of the Iraqi government (which would have essentially become another occupation if we had).

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
11. Oh, I agree w/you. It just seems to be the m.o. to support US military actions...
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:56 AM
Aug 2016

... or be branded as weak on defense.
Thanks to our corporate media spectrum, the US is a militarized nation - mentally and in action.
Voters continue to respond like Pavlov's dog.


Igel

(35,317 posts)
4. Because Obama claimed credit for it.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 12:23 PM
Aug 2016

He withdrew the troops. He ended the war. It was a campaign promise that he lived up to

Perhaps he would say he was being sarcastic?

Heck, 5 years ago if you said that * was responsible for the troop withdrawal because of the SOFA he signed before he left office you'd be dissed as a (R) tool. Facts be damned.

If you pointed out that Obama wanted to keep troops in but that al-Maliki insisted on full implementation of the SOFA, you'd be called anti-Obama. It was an embarrassment, something liked by the Iraqis.

And once enough people "forgot" this little effort, the full withdrawal was a proud achievement.


It's also underhanded to say it was just "a deal." Whenever US troops operate in another country you need a status of forces agreement. It provides authorization for the troops to be there, stipulates their legal status and their proper roles, as well as any support that the "host" country is going to provide.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
5. Iraqis were furious that US soldiers and contractors killed them without punishment
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:03 PM
Aug 2016

Sometimes our boys would get a little frisky and would murder them, men, women and children. And Iraq was not permitted to try them in Iraqi courts. We would tell them naughty, naughty and make them promise to not do it again but the Iraqis didn't think that was enough. So Iraqi leaders worried about being tossed from office by Iraqis angered over this, kicked us out.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
7. Why do Repubs think Obama botched up the Hurricane Katrina rescue/recovery?
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:20 PM
Aug 2016

Why do they think the economy has gotten worse under Obama when every metric indicates otherwise?

Why do they think Obama is responsible for Khizr Khan's son's death when he was killed in 2004 - four years before Obama was elected POTUS?

People listen to media that they know will affirm their pre-conceived notions about politics and world events.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
8. If we stayed, what would be different, they wouldn't hate us?????
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 05:02 PM
Aug 2016

many more young people killed for a war that was a lie.




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