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red dog 1

(27,816 posts)
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:23 PM Aug 2016

Petition To Hillary Clinton: "Ask White House To Stop Pushing For 'Lame Duck' TPP Vote in Congress"

Democracy for America
August 12, 2016


Stopping the Trans-Pacific Partnership - a deal negotiated in secret that gives corporations unprecedented power - is one of the most important tasks we face in 2016.

But despite opposition from leading Democrats and progressives, the White House is pressing ahead.
They are reportedly planning to hold a vote on the TPP in the "lame duck" session after the November election, when Congress doesn't have to face the consequences of their actions.

As the Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton is in a unique position to help us stop the TPP.
Her campaign chair, John Podesta, said "Hillary opposes TPP BEFORE and AFTER the election."

Now we need her to act - and help stop Congress from passing the destructive, job-killing TPP.

Join Robert Reich, DFA, and CREDO by signing our petition asking Hillary Clinton to publicly urge the White House to not hold a vote on the TPP - before or after the November election.

View petition at:
http://act.democracyforamerica.com/sign/hillary_tpp_vote/

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Petition To Hillary Clinton: "Ask White House To Stop Pushing For 'Lame Duck' TPP Vote in Congress" (Original Post) red dog 1 Aug 2016 OP
There's a petition I won't sign. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #1
Obama is making the case the the Senate should affirm Merrick Garland True Dough Aug 2016 #2
Sorry, I don't follow your logic red dog 1 Aug 2016 #3
Why would you say a "lame duck" president has the right to advance True Dough Aug 2016 #4
I never said Obama doesn't "have the right" to "advance" a lame duck TPP vote red dog 1 Aug 2016 #5
I'm curious True Dough Aug 2016 #6
Who cares why? red dog 1 Aug 2016 #8
That's a pretty shallow response! True Dough Aug 2016 #9
wouldn't it be better to contact congress and get others in their district or state to oppose it ? JI7 Aug 2016 #7
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
1. There's a petition I won't sign.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:24 PM
Aug 2016

I WANT the Lame Duck Congress to pass the TPP.

Free Trade stops wars.

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
2. Obama is making the case the the Senate should affirm Merrick Garland
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:43 PM
Aug 2016

It seems to me that a "lame duck" president should either be able to get his Supreme Court nominee approved and put the TPP up for a vote, or he should not be allowed to do either.

Can't have it both ways.

red dog 1

(27,816 posts)
3. Sorry, I don't follow your logic
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:48 PM
Aug 2016

Obama trying to get his Supreme Court nominee approved has absolutely nothing to do with his wanting to get the TPP passed during the lame duck session.

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
4. Why would you say a "lame duck" president has the right to advance
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:57 PM
Aug 2016

one enormously impactful initiative but not another? I'm not saying they are equivalent. The two are are apples and oranges but they are huge legacy decisions. I think it's fair to argue Obama should be able to pursue both actions or neither, based on being a supposed lame duck. I prefer the latter, for the record.

red dog 1

(27,816 posts)
5. I never said Obama doesn't "have the right" to "advance" a lame duck TPP vote
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 05:15 PM
Aug 2016

anymore than he doesn't have the right to try to get Garland on the Supreme Court during the lame duck session of Congress.

The whole point here is that legacy or no legacy, Hillary Clinton should ask him to not try to get the TPP passed after the election, during the lame duck session, because she now is the Democratic nominee for POTUS, and she might be able to influence him on the TPP issue.

I don't think there are too many Democrats who would mind if Obama did try to get Garland on the Supreme Court, during the lame duck session.

However, I think MANY Democrats would be very upset with him if he tried to push through the job-killing TPP during the lame duck session.

Is that the way President Obama wants to go out?
Making at least half of all Democrats, in and out of Congress, angry at him?

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
6. I'm curious
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:08 PM
Aug 2016

Why do you think Obama is strongly in favor of the "job-killing TPP?"

And Hillary was initially pro TPP but then reversed course.

red dog 1

(27,816 posts)
8. Who cares why?
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:23 PM
Aug 2016

I don't care why Obama is strongly in favor of the job killing TPP, any more than I care why Hillary changed her mind about it.

The fact is: Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, and she is staunchly against the TPP; so why would Obama go against her wishes, and the wishes of more than half the country, (including that asshole Trump & his followers) and once more attempt to pass the TPP in the lame duck session of Congress after the election?

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
9. That's a pretty shallow response!
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 08:16 PM
Aug 2016

Obama has shown himself to be a principled individual for the most part. I hate to think he's doing favors for corporations instead of serving the interests of the American public. We know Bernie Saunders was vehemently opposed to the deal.

So instead of "who cares," I'm finally taking the time to read up on the TPP. It seems one reason why it's desirable to American political leadership is to bolster U.S. trade in Asia while preventing China from seizing too much economic influence in the region.
However, it's troubling to find out that the pact has essentially been negotiated in secret. Here's a detail made public that doesn't sound promising:

Senator Elizabeth Warren has criticized its provisions for “investor-state dispute settlement.” I.S.D.S. allows corporations to sue governments over laws that may adversely affect “expected future profits.”


And here's the concluding paragraph of the same article from the New Yorker:

Maybe it’s a better agreement—better for the American middle class, for American workers—than it seems in the leaked drafts, where it appears bent to the will of multinational corporations. John Kerry, the Secretary of State, and Ashton Carter, the Secretary of Defense, co-authored a column on Monday in USA Today arguing, in evangelical tones, that the T.P.P. will usher in a glorious new era of American-led prosperity, a “global race to the top” for all parties. Meanwhile, the A.F.L.-C.I.O. sees only a race to the bottom. Organized labor, by all accounts, plans to punish any elected Democrat who supports the T.P.P., or even supports fast-track for Obama, in the next campaign. It’s difficult, again, to evaluate the agreement when we can’t see it. And it will be difficult for Congress to do its job if its members can’t study each part of the many-tentacled T.P.P. on its merits, but must simply vote yes or no on the whole shebang. What’s the rush? Is it simply Obama’s wish to make his mark on history and to complete his pivot toward Asia before his time is up? Politicians are often accused of supporting pro-corporate policies to please wealthy backers, looking toward the next campaign. That can’t be Obama’s motive now.


http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-does-obama-want-the-trans-pacific-partnership-so-badly


On the other side of the coin, this column authored by a couple of economic scholars makes a case for the TPP:


The agreement promises huge benefits for the U.S. economy and furnishes the economic pillar for U.S. geopolitical strategy in Asia. Economists Peter A. Petri and Michael G. Plummer estimate that implementation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership would increase real incomes in the United States by $131 billion annually, or 0.5 percent of GDP, and U.S. exports by $357 billion or 9.1 percent over baseline projections. Equally important, a substantial majority of Republicans in Congress endorse the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and they are joined by a significant number of Democrats in Congress, whose critical support ensured the passage of Trade Promotion Authority “fast track” legislation earlier this year.

This is why the Trans-Pacific Partnership is critical. The pact shows that major countries are prepared to slash many existing trade and investment barriers and promise not to erect new ones. Once ratified, the trade deal will become a magnet for more countries to join — Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines, Colombia and others. It will inspire “competitive liberalization” — a race to remove barriers — not only in Asia , but also in Africa and perhaps even South America. With inspiration from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the world economy could again be paced by fast trade and investment growth.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/column-why-the-trans-pacific-partnership-isnt-a-bum-deal/


Although there's much more to learn, at least that scratches the surface.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
7. wouldn't it be better to contact congress and get others in their district or state to oppose it ?
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:11 PM
Aug 2016

Yes. It would be much more work than online petitions do i can understand why people would not want to

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