disrespected. The hatred and racism was real. Period.

I have been paying attention for the last little bit, I assure you.

Ok....let me be CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR.....


I'm 57 years old.

I've been paying attention for the VAST majority of those years.

Alright?

downplaying it.

FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

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Do you practice being this difficult? Or is it something that comes naturally?

Let me put it another way then, since apparently nuance COMPLETELY escapes you.

I KNOW MR.OBAMA HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF RACISM, BIGOTRY AND RUDENESS HIS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY!!
OK?


Jesus H. Christ drinking a cold one on the Eisenhower Balcony and drooling it all down his front.

At the same time, you are incredibly rude, but that's to be expected.

Nt

I'm rude?

Fine. Let's recap;

I responded to Post #2 with the sentiment that almost anyone who has held the office of President for 8 years is ready to leave, an agreement with the OP and an expansion on the point made by the poster Monmouth4

Then YOU responded by suggesting that by saying what I said, I was somehow diminishing what the president has gone through, which of course, I did no such fucking thing.

So I told you that I hadn't just fallen off the Yam Wagon, (or the Turnip truck, or just born yesterday or whatever, as they all mean basically the same thing, that I am not naive) and that I had been paying attention for "the last little bit" a sort of play on words meant to assure you that "the last little bit" included the last 7 and a half years. That went right over your head, but it wasn't by any means rude.

As this point was lost on you, you decided to school me by telling me that Mr. Obama "has been treated like shit his entire 7-year term!"

Yeah. I got that. You must think I have been asleep.

By now I am getting a wee frustrated, as you seem to not understand that I am not a child, nor have I been asleep, so I told you my age and that I have been aware of what's going on for most of that time.

Not good enough for you.

YOU FOLLOW THAT UP BY INSULTING MY INTELLIGENCE ONCE AGAIN, by saying (once again) that I was "diminishing" what the president has been put through, to wit;

Just walk away.

...and they're one who is "petty" and "rude"?

rude. It's the truth!!

Anywhere.

Do you not know how a fucking Venn diagram works?

they act as if THEY are a victim. Much like what you're doing here. Resorting to personal attacks.

You will never shut me up.

Racism is here. It is the reality. And because I called it out and you don't like it, that's on you. You'll have to deal with that. And so does everyone else here who continues to downplay, deny, or somehow put forward the stupid-ass argument that class is more salient than race.

If this statement;

...is it not implied the job is therefore much more difficult for those of non-privileged groups?

Because that's how I read the post.

Jesus, I'd think you were being deliberately obtuse, but sadly I've seen too many people on the interwebs with "blinders syndrome" - someone who is so focused on their own outrage that they can't see that their imagined opponent actually agrees with them.

That's the problem and will continue to be the problem as long as you don't take those blinders off.

Better yet...as long as people continue to *PRETEND* to have cognitive dissonance because they refuse to accept reality.

I laughed so hard when I saw your post that I almost choked on my mint. (it was a white mint, though, so I'm definitely a racist)

but "when they go low, we go high".

Fortunately Obama is not nearly as weak.

Best president of my lifetime hands down and He is no shrinking flower in need of protection.

acknowledging that fact is not a sign of weakness.

No one is saying he needs protection.

If you know sheshe2's posts, you will know that she is one of Obama's most loyal supporters.

And calling her weak is ridiculous.

and he's the best damn President we've had in my lifetime. Damn good man doing an almost impossible job and doing one hell of a good job of it

My proudest three vote ever

I don't think the poster was implying the BO needed anyone's protection. I expect he fully expected exactly what he got. But like most people who overstay their welcome at a party, all of us would have liked BO to stay and the bigots to leave.

I cannot take credit for the shame that this country has endured at the hands of half wit republican legislators and other government officials who have traded in patriotism for bigotry.

They should be ashamed and they know who they are and what they have done. They have not diminished President Obama but they did diminish the office of the presidency. They have diminished the constitutional ideals of the United States as surely as the men and women who once hung black men b/c they were hateful human beings.

Its too bad that in this country of so many gifts, our tax money is assumed to pay for the misplaced bigoted ideals of the few in place of the beauty and strength of the many.

I saw no reference to a need for protection... though no doubt, you certainly inferred as much, regardless of any irrelevant flowers in your particular garden.

is probably not the person who posted it without comment.

Not trying to be mean or petty here. Just thought I'd mention it, as I've sometimes posted an article and then had people replying to as if I wrote it or something.

Hope you enjoy a good day.

Meant it to be directed at the article and especially it's tone.

Clearly I failed at that as the comments attest. However looking down thread I do see I am not the only one who thinks that article is nonsense.

You posted me a gif.

Never answered a word I said.

Night

I don't admire it. I suspect President Obama wouldn't admire it either. He knows he was elected by significant majorities and has become greatly admired by even more. That confident "Well, how do you like me now?" to the GOP didn't come from a resentful victim mentality. Lol!

As for being relieved of the burden, he's not just accomplished a lot but learned a lot about how to be president. I bet he'd take on another term, especially with a Democrat-controlled Senate, with resolute enthusiasm. Just bet his biggest complaint would be that he couldn't have known this a couple years ago so he could have worked it into his plans.

First off, every president gets disrespected. Second, he's been a GREAT president! Finally, the haters are going to die off in coming decades, and their children will be slightly less inclined to hate black people because this fine man helped normalize what seemed unthinkable before his presidency. After 230 years of racism, America needed this, painful as its been. He needs to go only because his 8 are up, not because people hated him.

America needed this, painful as its been.

Has an approval rating of about 56%. People love him. If he could run again he'd have a third term. I know I'd happily vote for him. These ugly people won't go away with any democratic president. That's who they are. Ugly people! Lucky for us we elected a man strong enough to take there crap and still come out ahead.

The GOP has been running a 25 year smear campaign against her, and they still won't shut the fuck up about Benghazi. So unless we vote every last one of them out of office, expect things to get worse.

Somehow I think the racism is much more palatable here.

American has more of a problem handing power to women than it does with handing power to black men. We gave the vote to black men before women. We had a black male president before a woman president. The glass ceiling for black men seems to be a little lower. Not much, but a little.

It'll be a little worse for her.

So I don't think it was meant as an endorsement or criticism of what the article says.

Hope you enjoy a great day.

He's been a ground breaker on many levels, has handled the job with grace, strength and dignity. The lower his opponents go, the bigger the man he seems.

A successful two term president who will leave a strong legacy.

If he could, I think he would've ran for a third and final term.

Oh shut up.

President Obama is a popular president. He was reelected in a landslide and is one of the three presidents to have an approval rating above 50% at this point in his term.

Obama is a strong man and can handle it and LOVES being president. This defeatist cowardice is so irritating.

sheshe2 was just posting a portion of an opinion piece that was linked in her OP.

The only thing that sheshe2 added was " Posted without comment." Everything else, the subject line, the sentence above the photo, the photo, and especially the words in the grey box were from the article at the link in the message.

If you have a criticism send them to Lawrence Ware at Huffington Post - he's the one who wrote the article.

Sheshe2 is as solid an Obama supporter as you can find here, and I've seen her for a few years now.

Besides, she posted without comment, and rather than cowardice, tends toward giving the Obamas a break from all the shit. They served and served well, and have expressed interest in living outside the confines of the White House. I think they deserve it.

We are trying to get over the acrimony of the primary wars, and need to be nicer with each other as we go forward. I welcome you, and hope you can be a part of that.
Peace

Not until I am sure there is a worthy successor to take his place. If the country goes crazier than I think it is and votes in Donald Trump I would hope that the sane people in places of power stage a coup to keep President Obama in office!

I do have to agree with Lawrence Ware, the writer of this piece linked in the OP, when he says:

I suspect that once the restraints of the office are behind him, he will emerge as an even stronger and more powerful leader than he is today. And he's only 55! He will be a powerful voice for decades.

Barack Obama has more courage and intestinal fortitude in his little finger than the person who wrote the article has in their whole body.

and when the column below appeared in the National Review in 2001, there was no controversy. No calls for the author to get fired, no demanding the GOP denounce it, just a couple of columns in liberal publications pointing it out:

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2001/update022301.html

"I hate Chelsea Clintion," John Derbyshire declares in his Feb. 15 column. He admits at first that he doesn't have a clear reason for doing so, but one certainly emerges: She's a Clinton -- more specifically, "the vile genetic inheritance of Bill and Hillary Clinton."

And the only genuine solution for dealing with this situation, Derbyshire writes, is death:

"Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past — I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble — recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an "enemy of the people". The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, "clan liability". In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished "to the ninth degree": that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed, and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed."

it's not even debatable.



And Kennedy was fucking assassinated.

...Ken Starr sicced the FBI on Hillary over her days at the Rose Law Firm. I remember reading a number of articles that discussed how they were rifling through her underwear drawer looking for some non-existent papers related to Whitewater or some other such bullshit. Even President Obama, as disrespected as he has been, has been subjected to that kind of invasion of his privacy.

It's just not us doing it this time around.

of "the incredibly racist drug laws we have on the books?" Thanks.

to the next 4 (or 8) years of replacing that venomous racism with pernicious sexism?

President Obama's approval ratings are very high now and I bet it won't surprise either of us if they stay very high in the future. Remarkable presidency and I'm glad we've witnessed it and helped have his back as he'd had ours.

I can also understand the feelings of the author of that article. I'm looking forward to the next phase of President Obama's life, and that of his wonderful family.

And as you and I both know, we will continue having Hillary Clinton's back as she proceeds into another phase of her life and accomplishments for the people. We don't fall prey to the hysterical criticisms that far too many inflict on liberal groundbreakers.

I'm not saying they aren't racist, but they're equal opportunity haters.

I think people of color knew already. But the blatant display of racism that we have seen has been jolting to me.

It's reasonable that someone might think it's possible that some racial anxiety and resentment may subside when he leaves office. Maybe it will. But, it should not be forgotten. What has been revealed may go back into hiding, but it is not going away unless white people do a lot more to oppose it.