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what effects Roundup is having on our environment.
I noticed while working in my garden there are less bees than ever before which could be the reason vegetable plants are taking longer to
develop fruits..
I haven't seen very many bees at all all summer and for those I've seen they are much smaller..(there are a lot of those worthless pesty sweat bees as we call them)
Also the butterflies Ive seen are small. I saw a Monarch butterfly yesterday and they looked to be about half the size as usual.
I live in the heart of farm country,,Corn fields,bean fields that are treated with roundup after being planted.
It just makes me wonder about how badly our environment is being abused.
I mention these facts to farmers and they say..."roundup is proven to be safe" So I figured they was one of the many that attended Monsanto spring meetings where they were given all the facts about "genetically modified grain is safe and our products do not harm the environment"
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)And the options are few for them when Monsanto and others buy up everyone else.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Neonicitinoids kill bees, not glyphosate.
Your bee issue is with Bayer, not Monsanto.
RapSoDee
(421 posts)...that chemical crap sure as hell ain't improving the environment for the bees...or the butterflies...or the people who are taking the crap in through beer, wine, food and even tampons.
Glyphosate, neonics, whatever - it's all part of the same sick, twisted corporate Poison-the-Freaking-Planet-for-short-term-profit system.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)End all use of pesticides and herbicides and 1/3 of the world will starve to death.
RapSoDee
(421 posts)And bring any and all chemically-deranged or mutant brain cells into the 21st century.
Poisoning plants, soil, water and people is so last century.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)something you apparently want to see 2.5 billion people suffer.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)You do know it is a different bee, right?
And are you sure the Monarch you saw was not a Viceroy - which looks almost identical but is smaller?
https://www.searchlock.com/mirror/p?e=1&h=Nfg5IpB1oEN4wC9khBaVDvP/cfVmwY4/WgspKaAH2XjKIXGng+PI7wbRFEF6LJ3amKi4TyrsoEQKY9yBBzgeEJ4aDz/+tMbTVUlQWCgVS84CZDYZxwCwTJzLS5/BvYxK&u=
INdemo
(6,994 posts)As for the Monarch...yes I'm sure it was a Monarch and it was smaller than normal
(I have lived in the country, (rural area) all my life and I know the difference.)
I blame a lot of changes that I see in our rural environment on Roundup.
Its not just the fact that this poison is absorbed into the soil and eventually makes it way to the water table but there is a percentage that pollutes the air.
I know a couple farmers that do not use Roundup or plant Roundup ready beans or corn and they have great crop yields.
They just farm the old fashioned way
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Glyphosate gets into plants through the leaves. Can you cite a reputable source to support your claims about soil and water?
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Glyphosate: This Menace Killed 50% of Rats Tested - But It's Hiding in Your Water, Air and Food
https://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2012/01/15/this-menace-killed-50-of-rats-tested-but-its-hiding-in-your-water-air-and-food/
Will Monsantos Roundup Herbicide Soon Be Banned?
http://naturalsociety.com/will-monsantos-roundup-herbicide-soon-be-banned/
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Sorry but you will have to do much better than that.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Nitram
(22,822 posts)Most of them are smaller than honey bees, but they are just as good at pollination. it is most likely insecticides like neonicotinoids that are harming honey bees.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Honey bees are an imported species and before Europeans there were none here.
All plants needing an insect for pollination depended on species like those 'worthless' sweat bees. The plants do not know the difference.
I will not even venture into your roundup opinions.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)The reality is that the honeybees are in danger. But unfortunately there is no smoking gun. Herbicides and insecticides are undoubtedly part of the problem, but there are also many diseases and the varroa mite which beekeepers did not have to contend with 20 years ago. The answer is complex not simple. Ignoring that reality does not advance the issue.