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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:38 AM Jun 2012

Grieving Father Struggles to Repay Dead Son's Massive Student Loans

http://www.alternet.org/economy/155887/grieving_father_struggles_to_repay_dead_son%27s_massive_student_loans/

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A few months after he buried his son, Francisco Reynoso began getting notices in the mail. Then the debt collectors came calling.

“They would say, ‘We don’t care what happened with your son, you have to pay us,’” recalled Reynoso, a gardener from Palmdale, Calif.

Reynoso’s son, Freddy, had been the pride of his family and the first to go to college. In 2005, after Freddy was accepted to Boston’s Berklee College of Music, his father co-signed on his hefty private student loans, making him fully liable should Freddy be unwilling or unable to repay them. It was no small decision for a man who made just over $21,000 in 2011, according to his tax returns.

“As a father, you’ll do anything for your child,” Reynoso, an American citizen originally from Mexico, said through a translator.

Now, he’s suffering a Kafkaesque ordeal in which he’s hounded to repay loans that funded an education his son will never get to use — loans that he has little hope of ever paying off. While Reynoso’s wife, Sylvia, is studying to be a beautician, his gardening is currently the sole source of income for the family, which includes his 18-year-old daughter, Evelyn.
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Grieving Father Struggles to Repay Dead Son's Massive Student Loans (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2012 OP
A total of $279,000 in payments for a music degree? dkf Jun 2012 #1
He wasn't. That's the fun part of the scam Scootaloo Jun 2012 #2
What's weird about accounts owing marybourg Jun 2012 #4
"I'm so sorry for your loss" Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #7
Co-signed student loans customerserviceguy Jun 2012 #3
I would go one step further exboyfil Jun 2012 #5
Well said customerserviceguy Jun 2012 #20
This. surrealAmerican Jun 2012 #6
Don't cosign a loan.. sendero Jun 2012 #8
Agree.....he could never get a $250,000 home loan or other loan on $21,000 a year.... cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #10
Ivy League schools have a more fair payment system in place. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #11
All Ivies or just Harvard? exboyfil Jun 2012 #12
My comment was an indirect one. sendero Jun 2012 #16
Keep big gubmint outta my stoodent loanz!1! deutsey Jun 2012 #9
How much is the law firm charging him customerserviceguy Jun 2012 #21
While the father is accountable for the debt, the bank can and should forgive (IMHO) aikoaiko Jun 2012 #13
this stinks to high heaven dsc Jun 2012 #14
This economy is so god damn cold hearted it's scary. Initech Jun 2012 #15
Berklee should have never 'accepted' his son if it could coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #17
If I had to guess Xyzse Jun 2012 #18
IF those are federal Direct Loans, he may be able to get out of having to pay them. Bake Jun 2012 #19
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
1. A total of $279,000 in payments for a music degree?
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:22 AM
Jun 2012

How was this kid supposed to pay it off anyway?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. He wasn't. That's the fun part of the scam
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:01 AM
Jun 2012

You're supposed to become a perpetual cash cow for the banking industry. Apparently your milking can continue from beyond the grave.

The goal is perpetual debt; keeps the plebs working for cheap, and since our weird banking system considers debt an aset, it'swin-win for them.

marybourg

(12,634 posts)
4. What's weird about accounts owing
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:29 AM
Jun 2012

money to you being assets? If you own a bond isn't it an asset? That's you having leant money to someone based on their promise to pay you back later, with interest. It's your asset!

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
7. "I'm so sorry for your loss"
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:52 AM
Jun 2012

"but really, you were a terrible parent for letting your child get a degree like that."

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
3. Co-signed student loans
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:15 AM
Jun 2012

should come pre-packaged with cheap term life insurance on the student. Allow people to opt out of it if they sign a half dozen documents, but it's stupid not to have it just for cases like this.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
5. I would go one step further
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:47 AM
Jun 2012

Student loans that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy should never have a cosign feature ever.

The need to cosign a loan is a sign of the problem with the underlying asset securing the loan (the education). It is impossible to believe, unless this person is the Andrew Luck of RGIII of music performers, that the debt will ever be repaid. No more than a very modest income can be expected from someone who has gotten a music performance degree. Go to a state school for music performance unless you have the cash - I don't think that society should be expected to cover this expense for every budding music performer - you are talking about medical school numbers here for an undergraduate degree.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
20. Well said
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jun 2012

I've long said that if we approach student loans with at least half the caution that is used for a Small Business Administration loan, we wouldn't be making anywhere near as many of them as we do. The higher education industry, from Ivy League down to fly-by-night "tech" schools, has always been able to milk this cash cow, because our government has always provided the hay.

surrealAmerican

(11,364 posts)
6. This.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:48 AM
Jun 2012

It's a rare enough occurrence for the cost to be quite low, and would save a lot of misery for grieving parents.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
8. Don't cosign a loan..
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:14 AM
Jun 2012

.. that you don't intend to pay back.

What is it about people that they don't understand simple contracts? He didn't think something like this could happen, but it did.

And also, my son will graduate from an Ivy League law school with less debt than that.

I feel sorry for a man who lost his son, that has to be crushing, but the debt it ridiculous from every angle.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
10. Agree.....he could never get a $250,000 home loan or other loan on $21,000 a year....
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:31 AM
Jun 2012

why would the bank even allow this???

Very good advice, don't cosign on a loan you can't afford to pay back, and also banks need to be more careful of who they're lending to. Obviously they aren't going to be able to collect this amount. If I was this guy I'd just move to Canada I guess.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
11. Ivy League schools have a more fair payment system in place.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:02 AM
Jun 2012

IIRC, the payment is 10% of what the parent makes in a year. So a gifted low income student can still afford that education if accepted.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
12. All Ivies or just Harvard?
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:29 AM
Jun 2012

10% would be significantly cheaper than our state college (assuming she does not get merit aid that is).

sendero

(28,552 posts)
16. My comment was an indirect one.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jun 2012

.... on the simple folly of thinking a music degree will ever result in the kind of income required to pay that kind of debt back.

If you are going for an art history degree and doing it on loans, you are in for a very difficult life.

People need to get realistic.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
9. Keep big gubmint outta my stoodent loanz!1!
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:36 AM
Jun 2012

More from the article:

...One of Freddy’s student loans was canceled after his death without a problem: his federal loan. That’s because the government cancels student loans if a student dies.

But the bulk of Freddy’s loans were private student loans, which typically offer less favorable interest rates and fewer consumer protections. Only a few private student lenders offer debt discharges in the event of the borrower’s death, though public outcry over specific cases has swayed lenders to grant occasional death discharges.

But for the Reynosos, just figuring out whom to appeal to has been an exercise in futility. Working with a law firm, Francisco Reynoso sent copies of Freddy’s death certificate to any company that sent paperwork about the loans. He remembers being told by at least one company that they’d call him to work out a solution. But no one ever did, he said, and the bills kept coming — each time larger than the last with more interest, more late fees. ...

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
21. How much is the law firm charging him
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:35 PM
Jun 2012

to just send out copies of death certificates, obviously to no effect? Looks like sharpies can see Francisco Reynoso coming when he's still around the corner.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
13. While the father is accountable for the debt, the bank can and should forgive (IMHO)
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jun 2012


Does bankruptcy work with private student loans? I know it doesn't with Federal loans.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
14. this stinks to high heaven
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jun 2012

the college got illegal money from the lender, the debt collectors aren't following federal law and sticking with calling the lawyers. My solution, a 300,000 fine for each call the debt collector makes to the family first fine goes to the family rest to the taxpayers.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
17. Berklee should have never 'accepted' his son if it could
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jun 2012

not also provide a reasonable way to finance the program, meaning through use of its endowment\scholarship funds, tuition and fee waivers and work study.

I read the entire source article but could not find the total amount owed. Someone upthread (dkf) said $279,000. Where does that figure come from? If true, that is an outrageous indictment of Berklee and our society.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
18. If I had to guess
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:25 PM
Jun 2012

It would probably be because the debt collectors re-packaged that loan and multiplied whatever is owed.
As soon as an account goes delinquent for months, when the debt is sold to another company, the other company tends to make the debt far far larger than what was initially owed. It is pretty ridiculous.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
19. IF those are federal Direct Loans, he may be able to get out of having to pay them.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jun 2012

He needs competent advice.

Bake

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