I really hope we get our shit together over here before it's too late.

We have a huge special education program. We age a ESL program that needs resources. We have a large migrant group of students who move annually. We can't even begin to compare to Finland.

It got me through FSU and George Washington. Hardly think I'd pass if it was not a good education.

doesn't make any sense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7731473

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He's a time traveler!

Quick, hide all the lies! What a maroon.

Maybe he moved just like maybe he got younger.


Arnold is in Maryland...

Basically what's wrong with saying one is 28 instead of 47 if it helps win an argument.

Then some are left behind.

--imm

multiple times, can we assume you're equally comfortable being disingenuous about your education level?

Wow. Impressive.

Economies of scale like the US Dept. of Ed .allow for a multitude of responses and solutions to various obstacles.

Or like the differences from where you claim to live?

But there's money to be made in standardized testing, doncha know.

Basically, they don't have our social and economic diversity and the problems that go with them. They also aren't as mobile: They tend to stay put, so, their early childhoods are more stable.

They also value intelligence and learning throughout the entire society. Same goes for the scandinavian countries.

heterogeneous population would bring its own new challenges.

Look at this article (and read the principal's letter of resignation) to see exactly what the real impediments to a fine education are.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028138339

(Hint: it's capitalism, politics, ideology, etc.)

Every country exists within its own specific context. When 90-ish% of a country is one thing, it's part of the picture.

The United States is diverse. Finland is not. If something is working well in Finland, it's worth considering how much homogeneity plays into that.

Those sounds like things we can do if we decide that we want it.

One thing I noticed there was the country was completely stuffed with Finns. Finns here, Finns there....they were all over the place.

Honestly, in Finland you find a lot of Finns.

That is why their schools are so good.

but are you saying that the fact they have less diverse population is what makes them good?

Finland is a weird place

In Finland teachers are the most trusted and admired professionals next to doctors

"best" school system, a Summerhillian/Dewey meld, with professionals and respect instead of our paranoid regimentation and schooling.

He doesn't say why they feel strong and secure enough to do that, and we act as if we are afraid.

Finland has been through Real Shit^TM in the form of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, up close and personal.

Here in the U.S.A. most of our wounds are self-inflicted.

Look at any anti-intellectual Obama-hating Trump supporter (all one and the same...) They don't realize it's their own ignorance and fear that's making this nation suck. They don't even want good schools, fearful that a little knowledge would turn their children against them, or worse, make the non-white people they hate more powerful.