It's appalling. They want to fight more wars? The SPLC was warning years ago the military was being infiltrated by white supremacists, and I'm beginning to believe they were spot on. If they want to salute the hand that kills them, so be it.

Never met a white supremacist. I'd wager the demographics of the military are more minority than our general population, and there are robust anti-discrimination policies.

You've just used a very broad brush.

78% white in general population?

Which is now 49%+ white

With Trump manufacturing and making hate mainstream now, it's still relevant today, even more so.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/extremists-military-longstanding-problems

My family has a long line of service to this country, my father, his cousin, two uncles, one who served in three wars, and an aunt who did the same and service on both sides of the Civil War with a grandfather who served with Washington. Republicans don't give one shit about the military person once you leave it.

Around 40% so you're right.

Nor have I ever met a racist... well, one that self-identified a such, despite robust ant-discrimination laws in place.

No doubt, many people pretend they're clever enough to know one on sight, and predicate their observations on that flawed absolutism.

"and predicate their observations on that flawed absolutism."

applies to me....because somebody made an unsubstantiated claim, and I disputed it? I've never seen a ghost or a unicorn either...what's different about that observation.

Maybe, just maybe, a white supremacist would abhor the notion of being thrust into a situation where a minority drill sergeant ruled every aspect of his life for two months, or a situation where he is forced to room with a minority, or a situation where minorities are in positions of authority in his chain of command.

I dunno, maybe.

Maybe, in my 'flawed observation', there is nothing about the military that would be appealing to a white supremacist, and maybe people should stop making claims that paint the entire military as a group of Aryan thugs without proof.

Years

Your link does not concern military or military families. It concerns veterans, who are by default an older demographic, which tilts more gop.

I never said it didn't tilt gop anyway - but your characterization of 'big time republican' exaggerates the tilt.

I know the most recent event was the Khan flap but questioning McCain's status was a huge mistake. Also they don't like hearing about how WEAK the military is. Trump triangulated on himself.

About 2 weeks ago there was a poll in Virginia. Hillary was pulling 60% in Tidewater/Hampton Roads - that is heavy heavy military and related Federal spending. That was just after the Khan situation. Trust me the McCain thing shut the door on him for a lot of military families.

I'd like to respond to your post, but being ex-military, I'm too stoooopid to.

SAME here.

Wonder what happened?

just following orders.

The military people I know who are heavy Trumpers are scared Hillary will take their precious guns. Not all ex military and current military are pro gun but a large percentage of them are.

I had a repairman here the other day, young guy ex military, two tours in Iraq. I did what I always do and thanked him for his service, he said if I wanted to thank him I would take down the Hillary sign that is under my flag pole in my front yard. He said the Stars and Stripes should not be close to anything "killery". He said she was going to take his guns away and make it impossible to defend his country.

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These folks don't see the military as socialism, but it's the biggest industry out there.


Then, if they do 20 and out, they leave with a 50% pension at age 42 and take on another government job or a defense contracting job that is paid for by the military. They hit up the exchanges, buying stuff in tax-free zones, and the subsidized commissary. They take that $250 a year socialist property tax break, and other stuff that the private sector will never see.


Yet, these same guys see their teachers, police, firefighters, and township workers as taxes they have to pay out.


For them, Socialism into their households is good, Socialism out to their community is bad.

With many, it was the military that took them out of their poverty situation and gave them a career. You will notice that many military households have others who go into it, because they know of the perks. There is a national pride component, but most enter for a job or a direction.


I've got two people who are ex-military and both teabaggers. One lives down the street from me. He retired after 20 years, collects his pension, got a six-figure defense job at the navy shipyard, and hits up every perk he can get his hands on. The other is an extended in-law, who wishes he did the 20&out thing, because his pension is not that high. He's in the reserves and he and his wife hit up the base stores for everything. He is also a teabagger. They are all pissed that their property taxes are high and actively fight with the township to get workers fired. There is another (non-military) teabagger I know who fought for the schools when her three kids were in school, the year her youngest graduated high school, she became a tea party candidate running to minimize the school district!

For all of them: Socialism in is good, socialism out to their community is bad.

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... for one reason.

If you don't contribute or meet the minimum standard you get the boot.

As opposed to socialism within a nation where all citizens get their piece of the pie if they contribute or not.

In socialism, the vast majority of non- contributors are those who can NOT contribute, e.g. the elderly,the disabled and they do not get the same size "piece of the pie" as contributors.

... but there is an expectation of some minimum size.

If you join the Army, work for a year or two, get fat and can't do your job you get kicked out with nada.

That's the case with any national government.

Navy 10 years and if you could breath and show up to duty and go through the motions you were qualified. Hell they even had in writing what the minimum qualifications were. Real life doesn't give you a cheat sheet to succeed.

does not necessarily make you smart.

The people there know the rules, they know when someone is carefully parsing answers as she was with her statements about not sending anything "marked classified", and most of them feel that if they did the same things she did they would not be given a pass and would be in trouble.

Keep in mind everyone in the military takes mandatory cyber security training every 6-12 months that push into their heads things like "you any email classified info to any unsecure email regardless of how it is marked" so this is a thing that's always fresh on thier mind.

It's gonna be a hard hurdle for her among that crowd on this issue.

It's also a violation to receive classified info on an unclassified system and not report it- something that those mandatory annual trainings also push hard. Military folks know that the person who receives information or is aware of it on the wrong systems and doesn't report it can be held just as accountable.

If I sent an email to a person that had classified info and that person received it and did not report it they can be held just as accountable as me, regardless of if it was marked that way or not.

And the common question among all my military friends is "why haven't all those people who sent the classified information been punished, had their clearances revoked, etc"? And I can't answer it, but that all know that they wouldn't get the same pass.

Until we see at least the people who were sending the info to her dealt with nobody who has or has had a security clearance will believe that there isn't a double standard at work.

Does not fit their conception of how shit should be run. She seems to be doing better with the military than Obama, so I do not think it is the emails.

Hillary's Tech Provider: No Email Server Security Breaches Found

Hillary Clinton’s personal email server had robust security and suffered no known breaches, according to an attorney for Platte River Networks, the MSP that managed Clinton’s email server.

Republicans in Congress subpoenaed Datto, SECNAP Network Security and Platte River Networks earlier this week, seeking more information about the server. Platte River Networks managed the system, leveraging Datto’s backup services. Also, SECNAP’s tools apparently were used by a Clinton employee or contractor to check the system’s security.

Kenneth Eichner, a former prosecutor who now represents Platte River, yesterday told The Denver Post:

“Platte River has fully cooperated for almost a year. Right now, we can’t figure out what other data could possibly be out there to help them. The FBI has already stripped (the server) and found all the security to be robust and that there were no breaches.”

In a statement to ChannelE2E, Datto said:

“On August 22, 2016, the U.S. House Science, Space, and Technology Committee issued a subpoena to Datto and two other firms in relation to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private e-mail server. This was expected as part of the continuing Congressional review process and follows our receipt and response to several previous queries by the committee chairmen. As in the past, it is our intention to review and fully comply with all legal requirements in relation to the request.”


https://www.channele2e.com/2016/08/24/hillary-clintons-msp-no-email-server-security-breaches-found/

With these dumb ass GOP witch hunts.
I'm not buying it. People make mistakes- and these were minor. It's bullshit just like the Foundation scandals. People are still
Carrying water for the GOP because of sour grapes.
Maybe if they concentrated on achieving things themselves their movement would not be in such dissaray.

So tRump being totally disrespectful of people in the military in general, being disrespectful of a gold star family, and him making fun of John McCain who was a POW doesn't hurt HIM?

Stories I have seen in military sources often talk about how military members don't like either option.

I have found something you may be interested in..this should help a little to understand what the hell is going on..be well..

http://www.newsweek.com/squalid-case-against-hillary-and-her-emails-492017

The military was predominantly R long before the email BS

But hey, whatever

So Drumpf only leading by 10 is good news.

... between Trump as the lesser of two evils or Johnson as a 'fuck you' to both.

Some rabid Trump fans...

Have yet to find an enthusiastic Hillary supporter.

Likely to have bought the BS about how "weak" the Democrats are when they oppose useless wars.
Along with the claims Democrats did not support troops (because that is the conclusion regarding a person not supporting a war to narrow minds).

other loony tunes most of the time. They're brainwashed. If they weren't they would know the GOP is chomping at the bit to end their health care and other assorted benefits. Imagine giving a subsidy to a disabled vet to go onto the open market and buy health insurance. I would also think they might take offense at the Trumpenfuhrer saying his stint in military school as a teenager was just like serving in the military . . . which, of course, he didn't.

the poll was taken in May - HELLO>>>>

I haven't read ALL the comments - so if someone has made this point already I apologize..really apologize..really really apologize....

and those emails someone here has sited - looky see at this...be well all...



http://www.newsweek.com/squalid-case-against-hillary-and-her-emails-492017

If I am wrong let me know....me thinks just to keep the general nonresearcher think we have a horse race..when actually it is their dog and pony show...and better analogy would be the tale of the tortoise and the hare....I so funny - I follow 538 - if there was a recent UPDATE I would have seen Nate Silver post it...

Be well...

The Republicans usually destroy us in military votes.

But I served in the Army from 1986-1993; I was (and still am) pro-gay rights, pro-marriage equality, and anti-discrimination. Most of the time in service, I felt awfully lonely; there were a lot of guys who were my political opposite.

After all the pukes are the party of war. Makes sense the folks who volunteer to fight wars would have a similar mindset.

-Martin Luther King, Jr.

Didn't they favor Romney and McCain too? This happens every election.

Mostly because of his attacks on a gold star family. This is a red area of Southern California, with a lot of vets and military supporters, an Air Force Base and military contractors, and an Army NG unit that deployed twice to Afghanistan, with some members awarded real Purple Hearts--incuding one posthumous.

If asked or cornered for a response I would lie my ass off.