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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOpposition to the TPP is not the same thing as being "anti-trade".
In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with trade. We're ALL for trade. Nobody is arguing that we shouldn't try to sell American goods in any other country.
What those of us who oppose the TPP are saying is that we can have trade with other countries without giving corporations a veto over labor laws, consumer protection laws, environmental laws and the level of social and educational spending countries are allowed to have.
There is no reason why we can't have trade WITHOUT putting the interests of corporations above national sovereignty and the ability of the non-wealthy and the non-whites to defend their rights against the demands made by "market values".
It doesn't have to be trade OR justice.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)business regulation, consumer protection, etc.
Of course, we have to deal with republicans who seem to oppose all efforts to add those standards to trade agreements - from FDR's agreement to Obama's. That never seems to change.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)We've had protection provisions in other trade agreements. But when it came time to enforce them, the State Department takes a pass, especially on labor and environmental clauses. There's no point in having enforcement provisions if we aren't going to use them.
pampango
(24,692 posts)unions, environmental groups, consumer protection organizations, etc. - should be authorized to initiate enforcement actions (just like corporations can do). Of course that might alarm folks who think that national sovereignty trumps everything else and that national governments should not be subject to the decisions of international tribunals.
msongs
(67,405 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)In my experience, a lot of folks who oppose the TPP can;t name one thing about it they oppose other than it will "outsource jobs."
One guy I argued with tried to tell me that "all our jobs went to China, because of NAFTA."
I'm certainly in support of trade agreements that preserve labor rights, consumer protection, etc.
Keep in mine, however, that many of those clauses are directed at participants who have traditionally locked American products out of the market by passing "safety" laws directed at American goods. There has to be some mechanism to prevent that kind of thing.
Stubborn
(116 posts)He/she is the expert on what's wrong with it.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Many have no idea.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)But you are exactly right. This isn't really a trade deal but more of an investment deal for multinational corporations. And if a country wanted to pass an environmental law to protect its people or a wage law or retirement law to help its citizens, the corporation can sue under an international tribunal for damages to "future" profits. It must be defeated. Hope you are doing well as well as others. Take care.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)But that I was in a Mac Davis kind of place at the time.
Thank you for not getting all weepy and saying "Leave Trade Alone!"