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Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:02 PM Aug 2016

"alt-right" seems harmless, until you know what it means

Google alt-right, click on Wikipedia, and here's what you'll get:

The alt-right has no official ideology, but various sources have described it as a loosely-defined conservative movement that is associated with white nationalism,[6][7][8] white supremacism,[2][6][9][10] antisemitism,[2][6][11][8] right-wing populism,[12][13] nativism,[14] and the neoreactionary movement.[1][15][16]


That seems pretty accurate to me. And it includes the people who currently surround and advise Donald Trump.

Conservatives have always been brilliant when it comes to describing a sack of radioactive dung as "a harmless paperweight." But "alt-right" is a term that just knocks reality out of the ballpark.

And, of course, the media has picked up on it. Heaven forbid they should call out a candidate as a racist or white supremacist.

For the past year, Donald Trump has demonstrated who and what he is. Why would anyone buy "The New Trump" from the "alt-right" propagandists he's recently hired?

And, yes. There are people out there dense enough to believe it. But for every one of them, there are millions more who see through it.

But even with the help of the "alt-right," Donald Trump will not be the next president. However, the anger he's turned loose will live on long after he climbs up to his tower where he will continue to tweet out venom, hatred and lies.
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"alt-right" seems harmless, until you know what it means (Original Post) Cyrano Aug 2016 OP
Sounds like Nazi thinking to me Auggie Aug 2016 #1
Trump said he doesn't know what "alt-right" means, Cyrano Aug 2016 #2
His campaign manager does... n/t backscatter712 Aug 2016 #4
Wikipedia doesn't go into the conspiracy-believing aspects of it. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #3
That's not really the same thing melman Aug 2016 #5
Okay. I assumed that Alex Jones was part of alt-right. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #6
Even "white nationalism" is a white-wash term for "white supremacism". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #7
We used to just call them Teabaggers lunatica Aug 2016 #8
I don't think that Teabaggers are the same as "alt-right" Cyrano Aug 2016 #10
You may be right but maybe they can make room for the teabaggeratti lunatica Aug 2016 #12
Alt-White... Blue Idaho Aug 2016 #9
+1 canetoad Aug 2016 #24
I'm glad it is being exposed and called out for what it is. The term does have a deceptive, Tanuki Aug 2016 #11
continue he will. mopinko Aug 2016 #13
Yes, "alt-right" sounds like a harmless keyboard shortcut for a PC app, until you find out. 4lbs Aug 2016 #14
Try ESC and see what happens ffr Aug 2016 #16
HRC brought this to my attention ffr Aug 2016 #15
So help me out here: Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #17
The alt-right grew up online and so skews younger for one. Imperialism Inc. Aug 2016 #18
In other words it's still the same shit in a new giftwrap... Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #19
To some extent though Imperialism Inc. Aug 2016 #20
As far as I know, no one ever called Cyrano Aug 2016 #21
This NPR article explains it pretty well sweetloukillbot Aug 2016 #29
After asking dipshit donnie about alt-right duncang Aug 2016 #22
It's old fashioned neo-naziism, just with a twitter account Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #23
From the Southern Poverty Law Center Cyrano Aug 2016 #25
But racist, and white supremacist, and fascist guillaumeb Aug 2016 #26
the difference between teabaggers and alt right DonCoquixote Aug 2016 #27
Let me get to the bottom line here. Cyrano Aug 2016 #28

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
2. Trump said he doesn't know what "alt-right" means,
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 01:09 PM
Aug 2016

and I believe him. Given his ignorance, he probably thinks that Auschwitz is a resort somewhere in the Alps.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
3. Wikipedia doesn't go into the conspiracy-believing aspects of it.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 01:26 PM
Aug 2016

Sandy Hook was faked, police killed the victims in the Orlando shootings, the Clintons have murdered numerous political associates, etc.

They're idiots.

Despite the lack of evidence and how it makes no sense, imagine really believing that the Clintons murdered scores of people. That's why many Trump supporters will never support Hillary no matter what he says or does.

It also makes me fear for Hillary's safety. People who are convinced by such nonsense are about as dangerous as someone who is schizophrenic and prone to illusory messages from the devil through their cats.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
6. Okay. I assumed that Alex Jones was part of alt-right.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 01:56 PM
Aug 2016

I especially thought that was the case since he was mentioned in Hillary's "alt-right speech" in Reno.

Even if that's the wrong label, I've met kooks who think like what I described above. Some of them aren't bigots, but they sure seem to have sh*t for brains.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
10. I don't think that Teabaggers are the same as "alt-right"
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:31 PM
Aug 2016

Last edited Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Teabaggers, for the most part, have been Republicans who bought into a more extremist (moronic) version of the crap that GOP has been peddling for decades.

The alt-right, on the other hand, seems to be comprised of fringe lunatics like Neo-Nazis, white supremacist groups and other groups, many of which are on the Southern Poverty Law Center list of terrorist groups.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. You may be right but maybe they can make room for the teabaggeratti
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:38 PM
Aug 2016

I don't think their world views are all that different. Red Hot Unrelenting Hatred of The Other is a common thread.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
9. Alt-White...
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:27 PM
Aug 2016

Is more like it. White supremacists are trying a little PR to clean up their image. Don't fall for it. They are the same KKK, Aryian Nations, And White Aryian Resistance scumbags they have always been. Don't let them squirm out of the spotlight.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
11. I'm glad it is being exposed and called out for what it is. The term does have a deceptive,
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:36 PM
Aug 2016

slightly hip (like alt-rock or something) ring to it that is at odds with how vile and evil it is. Spare us the euphemisms....let's just name it for what it is...extreme racism, anti-Semitism, nativism, and latter-day Ku Klux Klan mentality.

mopinko

(70,102 posts)
13. continue he will.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:41 PM
Aug 2016

for what is left of his useless life, he will be attacking whoever he decides made him lose. hint- it wont be the talking yam in the mirror.

4lbs

(6,855 posts)
14. Yes, "alt-right" sounds like a harmless keyboard shortcut for a PC app, until you find out.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:42 PM
Aug 2016

I wish we could CTRL-ALT-DEL them.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
16. Try ESC and see what happens
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:49 PM
Aug 2016

I used to tell people, when in doubt escape.

Sounds like the smart thing to do today as well.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
15. HRC brought this to my attention
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:47 PM
Aug 2016

& probably most of the public's a few days ago. I'd never heard of Alt-Right before. But the more I learn, the more it terrifies me that this is the perfect description for the people I know who are Drumpf supporters.

It's sickening to see people turned into programmable bots, repeating whisper campaigns and bigoted ugliness, simply from what they've heard from RW mouthpieces. Sickening and scary actually. Makes me feel like I'm living in 1932 Germany while Adolf Hitler was rising to power.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. So help me out here:
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:12 PM
Aug 2016

What's the difference between the so-called "Alt Right" and the Teabaggers (remember when they were the cool new kids and now they don't even warrant mention anymore)?

Imperialism Inc.

(2,495 posts)
18. The alt-right grew up online and so skews younger for one.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:36 PM
Aug 2016

And unlike the Tea Party which was actually started in Astro-turf fashion by the Kochs and others alt-right is truly more grass roots.

The Tea Party had more connection to supposed conservative ideology like concerns about debt and free markets. That can probably be attributed to its being started by the likes of the Kochs.

The alt right on the other hand is almost entirely focused on hatred of multi-culturalism and gender equality, which they think is leading to the downfall of America. That's why Trump can oppose "free trade" and concerns about debt, etc. They don't care about any of that. They are focused on white male grievance.

Imperialism Inc.

(2,495 posts)
20. To some extent though
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:54 PM
Aug 2016

the alt-right has stranger nooks and crannies to it such as those who think democracy itself needs to be abandoned because after all if the "inferior races" can vote then how can we ever escape them dragging us down? And again, they don't care , or even pretend to care, about conservative philosophy in general.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
21. As far as I know, no one ever called
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:58 PM
Aug 2016

a Teabagger a "White Supremacist," or a Nazi wannabe.

On the other hand, it seems that "Alt-right" people are consistently labeled "white supremacists" and neo Nazis on-line, but never in the media.

Blue_Tires, do your own research on google. Type in different things like "alt-right," Breibart, right wing fringe groups, etc. Also, check out the Southern Poverty Law Center. They keep track of racist and home-grown terrorist groups countrywide. And they have a great track record of shutting them down, countrywide, using the courts.

And for everyone else reading this who uses computers in the library, you are working in a house of knowledge. Explore it. Use it. Never stop learning.

sweetloukillbot

(11,023 posts)
29. This NPR article explains it pretty well
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:44 PM
Aug 2016

http://www.npr.org/2016/08/26/491452721/the-history-of-the-alt-right?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160826

If you want to see Alt-Right in action, venture into the sewage pit that is Vox Day's website. I had an online drive-by from his followers a year or so ago when I reviewed a book that had a transgender character. 2000 hits directed from his site - not a single comment. Because ultimately, they're cowards when not hiding behind anonymous usernames and Twitter handles.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
22. After asking dipshit donnie about alt-right
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:00 PM
Aug 2016

And him saying he never heard of it. I wonder if next week he would say the same thing. Real good chance of him and most repubs saying they never heard of it.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
25. From the Southern Poverty Law Center
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 05:22 PM
Aug 2016

From the Southern Poverty Law Center website:

Social media have been instrumental to the growth of the Alt-Right. Legions of anonymous Twitter users have used the hashtag #AltRight to proliferate their ideas, sometimes successfully pushing them into the political mainstream.

The best example of that is probably the term “cuckservative” — a combination of “cuckold” and “conservative,” coined to castigate Republican politicians who are seen as traitors to their people who are selling out conservatives with their support for globalism and certain liberal ideas. The phrase has a racist undertone, as some of its backers have suggested, implying that establishment conservatives are like white men who allow black men to sleep with their wives.


Link: https://www.splcenter.org/

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
27. the difference between teabaggers and alt right
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 06:47 PM
Aug 2016

Is that even most teabaggers have to give lip service to democracy and cannot embrace racism openly. Many on the alt-right are outright enemies who say loud and clear that they think democracy is a crime and that racism is realism.

this explains:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
28. Let me get to the bottom line here.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:22 PM
Aug 2016

IMO, most people, even informed people, don't know what "alt-right" means.

Hillary brought it to the forefront the other day.

Now it's up to all of us to define it on every site possible and to every person we know.

As I said earlier, I didn't know what it meat until I googled it.

Each and every one of us must let everyone we know that Trump is being backed by the worst of human species. (Read up thread if you don't know what I'm talking about.)

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