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Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:28 PM Aug 2016

I stand - sit, actually - with Colin Kaepernick

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691874/article/colin-kaepernick-ill-continue-to-sit-during-national-anthem

I am an old guy. I served my country such that I was on and already off active duty before 1970. My Dad and all my uncles served in WWII. I have ALWAYS stood with my hat off and my hand on my heart during the National Anthem. I will continue to do so, in all likelihood.

But make no mistake. This young man is the very portrait of bravery to do what he says is his doing I admire him. I support what he is doing. It may not be what I would do, but I absolutely understand why he is.

I salute you, Colin.
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I stand - sit, actually - with Colin Kaepernick (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Aug 2016 OP
Do you stand with him on this? MichMan Aug 2016 #1
Yup, equates HRC with Trump...He's an absolute fool BeyondGeography Aug 2016 #7
Not equating and no fool pinboy3niner Aug 2016 #10
He links a statement HRC made over two decades ago and has apologized for BeyondGeography Aug 2016 #11
He's running off at the mouth pinboy3niner Aug 2016 #13
I have no issue with anyone's right to protest BeyondGeography Aug 2016 #15
sorry Skittles Aug 2016 #21
The NFL is full of right wing assholes. KMOD Aug 2016 #2
You think this make him more palatable anoNY42 Aug 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Aug 2016 #20
I hear he'll be released from his contract yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Aug 2016 #4
I isn't about the military. It is about the country. Stinky The Clown Aug 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Aug 2016 #14
ESPN is not the best source on the subject pinboy3niner Aug 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Aug 2016 #19
It always amazes me catnhatnh Aug 2016 #6
If You Love America........... ChoppinBroccoli Aug 2016 #8
He can't read a defense, but what I think of his politics on this matter is that he gets a 6 point vkkv Aug 2016 #9
Comes a time when a man has to sit down for what he believes in. Monk06 Aug 2016 #12
solidarnosc. KG Aug 2016 #16

MichMan

(11,938 posts)
1. Do you stand with him on this?
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:34 PM
Aug 2016

Latest quote from Colin Kaepernick

"You have Hillary who has called black teens or black kids super predators, you have Donald Trump who’s openly racist. We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate. That doesn’t make sense to me because if that was any other person you’d be in prison. So, what is this country really standing for?"

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
10. Not equating and no fool
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 02:16 AM
Aug 2016

Just an American citizen expressing his opinons. If you think he's with Trump you really missed the net.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
11. He links a statement HRC made over two decades ago and has apologized for
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 02:22 AM
Aug 2016

with Trump's lifetime bigotry. He's an ass.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
13. He's running off at the mouth
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 02:45 AM
Aug 2016

When we do it we don't have cameras on us or people quoting us in the media.

To tell the truth, I'm not a sports fan and never heard of the guy before this dustup.

For myself, as a vet I stand and follow the protocols. What others do doesn't concern me, though I respect protest.

As for what he has to say about Hillary? I'm with her, all the way, and I am not concerned abouit what a prominent athlete, even one in the national spotlight now, has to say about her.

This, too, shall pass. Just let it go.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
15. I have no issue with anyone's right to protest
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 02:50 AM
Aug 2016

but Hillary has done more for social justice in this country than he ever will or even cares to know about. This isn't meaningful; it's grandstanding.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
2. The NFL is full of right wing assholes.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:46 PM
Aug 2016

If Colin doesn't want to stand for the National Anthem, I'm with him.

If Colin is a friend of the Black Live Matter Movement, I'm with him.

But since Colin is on the verge of being cut, I'm skeptical of his intent. It seems he has found a good way to get his name out there.

Colin is a millionaire. He also is a well known athlete.

He could do so much for the Black Lives Matter Movement.

Instead, he seems to be using it for his own self preservation.

I'm disappointed in Colin, to say the least.

 

anoNY42

(670 posts)
17. You think this make him more palatable
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:20 AM
Aug 2016

to other teams? I think pro teams usually try to avoid controversial players when possible...

Response to KMOD (Reply #2)

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. I hear he'll be released from his contract
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:58 PM
Aug 2016

A news story from Twitter. I have no idea how accurate that is.

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
5. I isn't about the military. It is about the country.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:01 AM
Aug 2016

Anchors Aweigh, Marine Corps Hymn, The Army Goes Rolling Along, The Air Force Song (Wild Blue Yonder), and Semper Paradus are the service songs.

Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #5)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
18. ESPN is not the best source on the subject
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:31 AM
Aug 2016

I've served and I've sacrificed. I stand and follow the protcols. I really don't give a damn what others do, though I respect protest.

Why the hell should I care about this when we have much bigger fish to fry?

Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #18)

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
6. It always amazes me
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:16 AM
Aug 2016

how many "patriotic" democrats detest dissent....you know-like in that Bill of Rights thingie....

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
8. If You Love America...........
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:41 AM
Aug 2016

.............then you MUST love Freedom of Speech, as it is one of the pillars that this country is built upon. And if you love Freedom of Speech, then you must understand that Freedom of Speech includes the freedom to NOT participate in the National Anthem. It's exactly the kind of freedom that the Founding Fathers envisioned when they wrote the First Amendment. The freedom to engage in unpopular speech. I think the Founding Fathers would be proud of Colin Kaepernick, or at least of the fact that they created a country free enough to allow him to register his complaints in whatever way he chooses.

I always stand AND remove my hat (something almost nobody does anymore--trust me, I look) for the National Anthem, but that's just me. People should be free to make their own choices and must be able to exercise their right to NOT participate if they want to. Forcing people to engage in rituals, take loyalty oaths, etc. is a very slippery slope toward Totalitarianism.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
9. He can't read a defense, but what I think of his politics on this matter is that he gets a 6 point
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:58 AM
Aug 2016

Hail Mary.

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