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Akamai

(1,779 posts)
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 03:57 PM Aug 2016

Now that Russian hackers have broken into our election

software, there has to be increased use of paper ballots.

Stalin was quoted as saying: "I don't care how people vote. I care who counts the votes!"

Without paper ballots, Putin may well count our votes!

Let's demand paper ballots that we can count and recount (to verify)!

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Now that Russian hackers have broken into our election (Original Post) Akamai Aug 2016 OP
Something that is the receipt of Democracy should be treated like the orpupilofnature57 Aug 2016 #1
the democratic party USA Inc does not care about this. repubs are ecstatic however nt msongs Aug 2016 #2
The hack was of Eko Aug 2016 #3
Why are you spoiling the narrative? Wilms Aug 2016 #4
Blackwell and Rove probably stole a lot of votes in Ohio in the 2004 Election, Akamai Aug 2016 #5
I happen to think these systems are EXTREMELY vulnerable. Wilms Aug 2016 #6
Every program is hackable. Eko Aug 2016 #7
Agree! Georgia's machines are designed to be unaccountable, Hortensis Aug 2016 #8
Paper ballots are increasingly rare. Who fails to realize the R.N.C. has expert hackers too? Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #11
Stalin never said that. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #9
How do you know he never said that? Never? But this quote has Akamai Aug 2016 #12
There is no source for Stalin ever saying it. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #13
Pretty soon you're going to be saying Jesus Christ never existed! As for flyspecking about the Akamai Aug 2016 #14
Jesus Christ never existed. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #15
Just kidding -- I agree that the actual support for the existence of JC is dubious. Yup! Doesn't Akamai Aug 2016 #20
And I raise you a selfie awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #17
K&R Chinese hackers are a worse threat. They are paid very little... Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #10
Good. Maybe fear of the Russians and Putin will do........... socialist_n_TN Aug 2016 #16
Thanks a lot, Trump! imanamerican63 Aug 2016 #18
Elections should be suspended until each stage can certify 100% security or paper trail Lee-Lee Aug 2016 #19
 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
4. Why are you spoiling the narrative?
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:05 PM
Aug 2016

Putin is stealing the election. Get with the program!1!!1!

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
5. Blackwell and Rove probably stole a lot of votes in Ohio in the 2004 Election,
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:20 PM
Aug 2016

And Governor Don Siegelman of Alabama is still incarcerated after his votes were flipped in the middle of the night. And of course, the 2000 election was the pits with the Bushistas scrubbing voters from the roles.

Now comes Chris Kobach who is trying to secretly scrub many thousands of people from voting in Kansas and other states.

Who is to say that their programs are unhackable?

Also, importantly, if voters have less trust in the honesty of the voting system, they will be much less likely to vote.

Restoring an open election system -- including paper ballots -- will help restore confidence in our voting system.

Thom Hartmann says that our voting system is the very beating heart of democracy. We should do everything we can to ensure that it is functioning.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
6. I happen to think these systems are EXTREMELY vulnerable.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:33 PM
Aug 2016

And I believe something was terribly wrong in Ohio...though I do not think the machines were hacked to do it.

And I don't necessarily believe that Russian's are messing with these systems...although they may be just as capable of doing so as others likely are.

Eko

(7,318 posts)
7. Every program is hackable.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:38 PM
Aug 2016

I think the real question is how many of our voting machines are connected to the internet?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Agree! Georgia's machines are designed to be unaccountable,
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:50 PM
Aug 2016

and I don't doubt for a minute that this choice was made for potential highly criminal reasons. Thankfully, they're finally nearing end of life.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
11. Paper ballots are increasingly rare. Who fails to realize the R.N.C. has expert hackers too?
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 12:34 AM
Aug 2016

The Republican National Committee is capable of anything; and has the resources to hire the best hackers in the world. Hacking voting machines is the only way Trump can win, which is the reason he befriends Russian crime czars and a North Korean tyrant, with no internet, if China decides to disconnect the small nation. Trump doesn't realize that China maintains all North Korean internet services.

"North Korea says Trump isn't screwy at all, a wise choice for president
North Korea has backed presumptive U.S. Republican nominee Donald Trump, with a propaganda website praising him as "a prescient presidential candidate" who can liberate Americans living under daily fear of nuclear attack... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-idUSKCN0YN35S

Donald Trump’s imagined meeting with Kim Jong-un is a reminder that businessmen make terrible presidents

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
12. How do you know he never said that? Never? But this quote has
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 01:18 AM
Aug 2016

often been attributed to him.

How do you know he never said it?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
13. There is no source for Stalin ever saying it.
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 01:58 AM
Aug 2016

It doesn't appear in any text or recording of anything Stalin ever said.

The fake quote is attributed to him because he was a dictator but the man never said it.

He never had to stand for a popular election in his life.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
14. Pretty soon you're going to be saying Jesus Christ never existed! As for flyspecking about the
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 10:41 AM
Aug 2016

Stalin quote, the correctness of the sentiment is what makes it important, and to say that Stalin never said it does not remove the correctness of it -- as Blackwell in Ohio, voter suppression successes in the South, etc., demonstrate.

The will of the voters can be subverted in many different ways.

Raising doubt about the honesty of the voting system is clearly one way to reduce voter participation, etc

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
15. Jesus Christ never existed.
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 10:49 AM
Aug 2016

All evidence points to the Jesus Christ of the New Testament being a composite fictitious character., most likely of several Rabbinical teachers of the time.

And attribution of fake quotes is a tactic of the likes of David Barton.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
20. Just kidding -- I agree that the actual support for the existence of JC is dubious. Yup! Doesn't
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:04 AM
Aug 2016

mean that we shouldn't be wary of people who want to steal the vote from us.

Somehow this has devolved into a shaggy dog narrative. and I sure agree with you about David Barton's made up quotes making up nonsense about the country being funded by fundamentalist Christians with nary a Deist, etc.

However, I am not sure why someone would take on the often cited "quote" from Stalin. Even if not stated by him (the provenance might be murky), the point made is absolutely germane.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
10. K&R Chinese hackers are a worse threat. They are paid very little...
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 08:30 PM
Aug 2016

With such a small investment, there are FAR more Chinese hackers, working in the internet of foreign nations, including Russia. In Chinese media, Trump is a joke China plans to laugh at for eight years.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
16. Good. Maybe fear of the Russians and Putin will do...........
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 10:56 AM
Aug 2016

what past voting irregularities couldn't do and get that shit fixed. Especially if both sides think there's a potential problem.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
19. Elections should be suspended until each stage can certify 100% security or paper trail
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 04:14 PM
Aug 2016

I bet that notion would speed up those red states..

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