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Phyliss Schlafly was a vile and disgusting human being. Fuck her. (Original Post) bluestateguy Sep 2016 OP
If there's a hell, she's burning there Freddie Sep 2016 #1
Death, or Chichi! longship Sep 2016 #5
... BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #9
LOL!!! 2naSalit Sep 2016 #48
The punchline could be, "Death... by Chichi" (n/t) PJMcK Sep 2016 #58
First time I laughed today. Thanks! Ligyron Sep 2016 #82
ok I give.... steve2470 Sep 2016 #84
A made up Hell torture in order to make a joke. nt longship Sep 2016 #85
ok thanks, I found various definitions but none really fit LOL nt steve2470 Sep 2016 #87
We used to tell a similar joke cannabis_flower Sep 2016 #89
Bunta, Chichi, Punga, Mortapror. It's all the same thing. longship Sep 2016 #91
Actually.. cannabis_flower Sep 2016 #123
Where I grew up, death or punga! Still In Wisconsin Sep 2016 #92
She fought the ERA... Whatthe_Firetruck Sep 2016 #16
Yes, she said women should stay at home and raise their kids while she flew around the country SharonAnn Sep 2016 #47
Scalia is keeping her seat warm AwakeAtLast Sep 2016 #29
She helped craft her own bit of hell on earth for others. Good riddance. fleabiscuit Sep 2016 #98
Longtime Asshole Hater supreme freak Person 2713 Sep 2016 #2
But, how do you REALLY feel? TheDebbieDee Sep 2016 #3
Let me guess: Someone splashed a bucket of water on her? n/t backscatter712 Sep 2016 #4
When I read the news, that song started playing in my head Old Terp Sep 2016 #97
She was a horrible human being mcar Sep 2016 #6
Time for a pint of Schlafly Pale Ale. Missn-Hitch Sep 2016 #7
She was a misogynistic vile pig. Greybnk48 Sep 2016 #8
I thought the same thing one less Cheeto vote kimbutgar Sep 2016 #10
I can't help but wonder if she had a Lee Atwater moment at the end. Snarkoleptic Sep 2016 #11
See #2 above, I doubt it, there she is at a Trump rally. She never changed or stevenleser Sep 2016 #42
Schlafly reincarnated as a fly revmclaren Sep 2016 #12
I gotta go get a fly swatter, now. roamer65 Sep 2016 #13
Here ya go. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2016 #102
I wouldn't fuck her with a stolen dick - George Carlin line Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #14
I was gonna say... New Orleans Strong Sep 2016 #20
If her bank account was loaded, they're probably into the third chorus of MADem Sep 2016 #93
Burning in hell as we speak! Raine Sep 2016 #15
Please let there be three like celebrities..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #17
I'm down with that! 2naSalit Sep 2016 #49
Didn't she once say, "There will be a female president over my dead body!" progressoid Sep 2016 #18
IT'S AN OMEN !!!!! Monk06 Sep 2016 #33
Sounds like it!! 2naSalit Sep 2016 #50
Yeah, too bad she couldn't hold on until after November 8. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2016 #103
Hope that turns out a true prophecy, as the alternative is ... the unthinkable LeftishBrit Sep 2016 #108
well said! gopiscrap Sep 2016 #19
How DARE you speak ill of the dead!!! 8 track mind Sep 2016 #21
[P_Schafly]$ echo "export PATH=$PATH:/straight/to/hell" GoDawgs Sep 2016 #57
pschafly: sudo mv ~ /dev/null VulgarPoet Sep 2016 #60
not found because DU strips backslashes Glassunion Sep 2016 #76
Better cut off her head, stuff her mouth with garlic, and drive a wooden stake through her heart. backscatter712 Sep 2016 #22
Just one more thing... bullsnarfle Sep 2016 #80
Very helpful backscatter712 Sep 2016 #88
Maybe an absentee ballot? StarzGuy Sep 2016 #23
Too early for that 2naSalit Sep 2016 #51
I guess her case against her kids over control of the Eagle Forum is moot. longship Sep 2016 #24
The thought of Hillary as president... Zambero Sep 2016 #25
Some people thought she was a progressive 'hero' for bravely fighting nudity & sex on the intertubes Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author MichiganVote Sep 2016 #27
I wish she could have lived until after the election.... missingfink Sep 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author iandhr Sep 2016 #30
Gross thread melman Sep 2016 #31
This is what happens when hateful people die. longship Sep 2016 #45
No melman Sep 2016 #55
Call it her legacy. She earned every bit of it. longship Sep 2016 #56
Hey, if it makes you feel any better: Paladin Sep 2016 #62
yes, thankfully, scalia is still dead. niyad Sep 2016 #109
I don't understand why it's not right MyNameGoesHere Sep 2016 #67
Much more convenient to indict her critics for "it's really not right," than it is... LanternWaste Sep 2016 #68
This is way, way beyond "not mourning." This thread makes Schlafly look like a kindly old grandma. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #65
+1 Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #64
Seems both a subjective and relative statement LanternWaste Sep 2016 #69
Subjective? Obviously. Relative? As the word "above" dictates. Moral righteousness? Undeserved. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #74
We are all only humans. rivegauche Sep 2016 #81
It's easy to do anonymously online... Honest.Dem Sep 2016 #86
thanks for a reasoned, thoughtful post. except--I tell these vile, hatefilled monsters to their niyad Sep 2016 #110
We should be mourning the fact that she lived a long productive life. nt JTFrog Sep 2016 #117
Elvis Costello sang this about Margaret Thatcher sweetloukillbot Sep 2016 #32
That song's been going thru my head all day Freddie Sep 2016 #83
Sorry, but the Liverpool soccer fans have that beat. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2016 #104
She was a daughter, a sister,a mother and a human being. Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #34
I couldn't possibly agree less with Schlafly's political views Ellen Forradalom Sep 2016 #35
She did a lot of damage to a lot of people - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2016 #36
So did Ghandi and Hitler. Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #38
Wait, what? Gandhi ruined people's lives? Zynx Sep 2016 #41
If you believe the Bible Yes it does classykaren Sep 2016 #101
This guy pissed on Pol Pot's grave bluestateguy Sep 2016 #107
What specifically are the objective and negative consequences should we decide to "piss on their gra LanternWaste Sep 2016 #71
Then don't. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #73
First you say it's an "opinion" that Schafley was a harmful person, and now you say MADem Sep 2016 #96
Yes, Ghandi was the father of nonviolent resistance but it still breaks my heart Kind of Blue Sep 2016 #116
You said "He did come to regret his actions later in life, according to the Indian government." MADem Sep 2016 #118
Gandhi's own words and actions excoriates him - not me. Kind of Blue Sep 2016 #119
You made the point about his regret, not me. MADem Sep 2016 #120
The bottom-line is undeniable that Gandhi harmed people. Kind of Blue Sep 2016 #121
Who's "laughing?" MADem Sep 2016 #122
At least i will have to something to remember about my vacation by other than re-roofing my house nolabels Sep 2016 #43
Im GWC58 Sep 2016 #37
That's all we can do at times. Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #39
In addition to chastising others for reacting in such a way that lacks any real consequences. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #72
I don't see how a 92-year old dying is tragic. Zynx Sep 2016 #40
Tragic never came to mind. Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #44
Cheers to your principles but I am eagerly awaiting your "Gandhi" explanation. Respectfully. Missn-Hitch Sep 2016 #46
Ghandi asked his followers to practice non violent protest. Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #52
I do understand and appreciate your words. Missn-Hitch Sep 2016 #53
Her kids got tired of waiting for her to die and are already fighting in court over the family grift LeftyMom Sep 2016 #54
What a creative little bumper sticker you and your little peeps have imagined... LanternWaste Sep 2016 #70
She was a racist, a sexist, a misogynist and an asshole too. MADem Sep 2016 #95
I won't celebrate her death sellitman Sep 2016 #59
And nothing of value was lost. I'm pissing on her grave with gleeful abandon. GOLGO 13 Sep 2016 #61
Good fuckin riddance to bad rubbish. HughBeaumont Sep 2016 #63
God struck her down. msanthrope Sep 2016 #66
thank you for sparing me the necessity of posting the same. niyad Sep 2016 #75
and, of course, there are the "we are better than this" posters, as expected. I have had niyad Sep 2016 #77
I remember her in her heyday, and I have to agree that there is some validity MADem Sep 2016 #94
Only the good die young.... Liberalagogo Sep 2016 #78
YES. THANK YOU. rivegauche Sep 2016 #79
Her life's contribution: she was a pioneer in making religion-based hate mainstream. Still In Wisconsin Sep 2016 #90
Yes, she was. BigDemVoter Sep 2016 #99
Bye Felicia LakeArenal Sep 2016 #100
Agree moose966 Sep 2016 #105
welcome to du niyad Sep 2016 #112
Now now...don't you know you make unicorns cry when you say stuff like that? Rex Sep 2016 #106
Of the dead speak nothing but good. The Green Manalishi Sep 2016 #111
Tom Hartman today said... Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #113
My gay friends, who were in committed relationships, but died before they could legally marry bluestateguy Sep 2016 #114
How? Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #115
Can't say I disagree with your assessment....nt arthritisR_US Sep 2016 #124

Freddie

(9,273 posts)
1. If there's a hell, she's burning there
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:03 PM
Sep 2016

Amazing (and disgusting) how one person could do so much damage to women's rights. Horrible human being.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Death, or Chichi!
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:15 PM
Sep 2016

When Phyllis Schlafly gets to Hell, she will be given a choice. Death, or Chichi.

The guy next to Phyllis chooses Chichi, whereupon he is stuffed into a barrel, raped by rabid monkeys, set on fire, and rolled down a steep hill into a river of boiling shit.

Then, the devil will offer Phyllis the same choice. Death, or Chichi.

Seeing how bad Chichi is, Phyllis chooses death, whereupon the devil responds, "Death it is. But first... Chichi!"

longship

(40,416 posts)
91. Bunta, Chichi, Punga, Mortapror. It's all the same thing.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 02:47 PM
Sep 2016

As long as fire, boiling shit, and rabid monkeys are included. Those are the obligatory elements. The name is irrelevant.




cannabis_flower

(3,765 posts)
123. Actually..
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 02:16 PM
Sep 2016

In the version I heard there was no fire, rabid monkeys or boiling shit. Just a communal gang rape.

Whatthe_Firetruck

(558 posts)
16. She fought the ERA...
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:17 PM
Sep 2016

...tirelessly, to deny women from having the same advantages she had. A self hating misogynist.

SharonAnn

(13,778 posts)
47. Yes, she said women should stay at home and raise their kids while she flew around the country
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:01 AM
Sep 2016

and had a "career".

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
2. Longtime Asshole Hater supreme freak
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:10 PM
Sep 2016

Look how old this pic is . That's a lot of years of being nasty
And she was all about the latest haters

Old Terp

(464 posts)
97. When I read the news, that song started playing in my head
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:45 PM
Sep 2016

You know the one, the Munchkins start singing "Ding Dong . . ."

Greybnk48

(10,170 posts)
8. She was a misogynistic vile pig.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:25 PM
Sep 2016

And I too am celebrating her death. The world is a better place with her gone. Chichi!

kimbutgar

(21,176 posts)
10. I thought the same thing one less Cheeto vote
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:30 PM
Sep 2016

She was a traitor to women.


Her and Scalia frying together in hell tonight.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
14. I wouldn't fuck her with a stolen dick - George Carlin line
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:05 PM
Sep 2016

But I agree. . .what a nasty piece of vermin she was.

I don't even care to say "my condolences to the family." Fuck them too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
93. If her bank account was loaded, they're probably into the third chorus of
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 02:52 PM
Sep 2016

"Happy days are here again."

Who knows what goes on behind closed doors....?

8 track mind

(1,638 posts)
21. How DARE you speak ill of the dead!!!
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:52 PM
Sep 2016

ERROR.......


C:Windowsconservative_sadness_subroutine.bat not found....

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
76. not found because DU strips backslashes
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:47 AM
Sep 2016

The path is very important in batch scripts.

:: =========== Schlafly.bat ==================
:: Created by:Glassunion
:: 09/06/2016 11:45am
:: =======================================

if .%Phyliss%.==.Dead. (call :Emotion) else (goto :eof)
goto :eof

:Emotion
echo.
echo 1 - Happy
echo 2 - Meh
echo 3 - Haz a sadz
echo 4 - I haz a butthurt
choice /c 1234 /m "Please select 1 through 4, on how you are feeling"

set _emotion=%errorlevel%
cls
if %_emotion% LEQ 2 (echo Have a nice day! & goto :eof)
if %_emotion% EQU 3 (echo I'm sadz you haz a sadz. You should watch less Fox News. & goto :eof)
if %_emotion% EQU 4 (echo OH FFS! & goto THEEND)

:THEEND
echo You really should question your life.
echo.
cls
pause
echo No really you should. In fact, let me help you.
pause
format C: /fs:NTFS /x /p:8238
:: No need to close out this subroutine as the script will probably blow up at this point.
:: But for the purists...
goto :eof

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
22. Better cut off her head, stuff her mouth with garlic, and drive a wooden stake through her heart.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:53 PM
Sep 2016

We wouldn't want her to come back...

longship

(40,416 posts)
24. I guess her case against her kids over control of the Eagle Forum is moot.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:58 PM
Sep 2016

And thankfully, she has now simultaneously been both mooted, and muted.

It's her evil spawn we need to be worried about now. That Andrew is a piece of work. Conservapedia? BAH!!!!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
26. Some people thought she was a progressive 'hero' for bravely fighting nudity & sex on the intertubes
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:05 PM
Sep 2016

Seems a little off, but there ya go

Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

missingfink

(174 posts)
28. I wish she could have lived until after the election....
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:09 PM
Sep 2016

assuming, of course, that Clinton wins. A woman winning the Presidency would have been horrible to her.

Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
31. Gross thread
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:30 PM
Sep 2016

I will never understand what people get out of posting such hateful things.


And no, I wasn't a fan and I'm not defending her. But still.

longship

(40,416 posts)
56. Call it her legacy. She earned every bit of it.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:47 AM
Sep 2016

She spent her life making people miserable with her policies, which she did her best to make official policy.

I will not be kind or deferential about her demise.

She deserves only that same derision which she unhesitatingly gave those who were the most downtrodden. Phyllis Schlafly was evil!

Good riddance! The world is better without her.

Paladin

(28,269 posts)
62. Hey, if it makes you feel any better:
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:19 AM
Sep 2016

I'm not nearly as enthused about Schlaf's death as I was (and continue to be) about Scalia's.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
67. I don't understand why it's not right
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:24 AM
Sep 2016

She is worm food now and I am sure the worms won't be offended. It may be in poor taste but I don't think it's not right.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
68. Much more convenient to indict her critics for "it's really not right," than it is...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:47 AM
Sep 2016

Much more convenient to indict her critics for "it's really not right," than it is to criticize the concrete consequences of her own policies and positions; as it certainly allows us the pretense of righteousness-- whether earned or not.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
65. This is way, way beyond "not mourning." This thread makes Schlafly look like a kindly old grandma.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:47 AM
Sep 2016
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
69. Seems both a subjective and relative statement
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:49 AM
Sep 2016

Seems both a subjective and relative statement predicated wholly on a pretense of moral righteousness. (ironic response)

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
74. Subjective? Obviously. Relative? As the word "above" dictates. Moral righteousness? Undeserved.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:15 AM
Sep 2016

If you are thinking of my "moral righteousness", no. I make no such pretenses. DU's collective "moral righteousness"? Oh, hell yes! And it is clearly and totally undeserved.

rivegauche

(601 posts)
81. We are all only humans.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:25 PM
Sep 2016

That old bitch was incredibly offensive to ME and to millions of others. I refuse to lay down like a doormat to any asshole or bully, and that is what she was. I'm not "above" being glad that she's dead. No hypocrisy here. She was an evil old hag and she did a lot of damage to equal rights.

 

Honest.Dem

(30 posts)
86. It's easy to do anonymously online...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:56 PM
Sep 2016

but these same folks who dance on graves wouldn't do it in front of the deceased relatives...some of whom are liberal. It's amazing how "courage" changes when anonymity is removed. I have no problems with deriding policies and efforts by people on the other side of the political spectrum, but I will not engage in hating people for their political beliefs. That would be acting like Philippine president Duterte. After all, how is it any different? If you hate people for their political positions after they have died, then why not tell you relatives (those whose political views differ from yours) who are still alive that you hate them for their political views now? Let's not be hypocritical now...lets hate EQUALLY! Go on...take the poison pill and hope they are the ones who get sick.

niyad

(113,518 posts)
110. thanks for a reasoned, thoughtful post. except--I tell these vile, hatefilled monsters to their
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:21 PM
Sep 2016

faces exactly what I think of them. and I do hate the beliefs that cause harm and evil, and will not pretend otherwise. I had to deal with her and the evil she caused for decades, as I have with many others, and I will not pretend for one moment to be sorry about their passing. I am not hypocritical enough to do that.

Freddie

(9,273 posts)
83. That song's been going thru my head all day
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:45 PM
Sep 2016

Huge EC fan here. Seeing him in concert in Oct., maybe he'll do that one in her memory.

 

Dreamweaver 5.0

(124 posts)
34. She was a daughter, a sister,a mother and a human being.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:46 PM
Sep 2016

No matter how wrong she was in her views in your opinion.

Hatred and intolerance to others beliefs buys you a ticket to come back and have to live with those same beliefs.

Some peeps just don't get it.



Feel free to flame away. The 3% that will get what I am saying is worth the scorn.

Ellen Forradalom

(16,160 posts)
35. I couldn't possibly agree less with Schlafly's political views
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:51 PM
Sep 2016

But I do have to admire her political chops. We could take notes from how she operated.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
41. Wait, what? Gandhi ruined people's lives?
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:13 PM
Sep 2016

Are we talking Indira Gandhi?

Also, it's totally permissible to piss on someone's grave. Their death doesn't wash away their sins.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
71. What specifically are the objective and negative consequences should we decide to "piss on their gra
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:52 AM
Sep 2016

What specifically are the objective and negative consequences should we decide to "piss on their graves?"

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
73. Then don't.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:05 AM
Sep 2016

And while you're (not) at it, you can add "Sanctimoniously wagging your fingers at strangers for no good reason at all" to the list of things you are not doing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
96. First you say it's an "opinion" that Schafley was a harmful person, and now you say
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:22 PM
Sep 2016

that GHANDI did harm to people? You do realize he was the father of nonviolent resistance?

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
116. Yes, Ghandi was the father of nonviolent resistance but it still breaks my heart
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:27 PM
Sep 2016

to know that a lot of unflattering aspects of his life is ignored. His Indian activism in South Africa, when he experienced intolerance, most definitely added to apartheid. He did come to regret his actions later in life, according to the Indian government.

While I whole heartedly agree with you about Schafley, I also agree with Dreamweaver5.0 that Gandhi did and does harm people.

Some Gandhi quotes. kaffir, a word I've come to understand is the equivalent of N-word for black South Africans.

Before May 5, 1895 “When one reflects that the conception of Brahmanism, with its poetic and mysterious mythology, took its rise in the land of the ‘Coolie trader,’ that in that land 24 centuries ago, the almost divine Buddha taught and practised the glorious doctrine of self-sacrifice, and that it was from the plains and mountains of that weird old country that we have derived the fundamental truths of the very language we speak, one cannot but help regretting that the children of such a race should be treated as equals of the children of black heathendom and outer darkness. Those who, for a few moments, have stayed to converse with the Indian trader have been, perhaps, surprised to find they are speaking to a scholar and a gentleman…. And it is the sons of this Land of light who are despised as Coolies, and treated as Kaffirs.” ~ Vol. I, p. 225

“A general belief seems to prevail in the Colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than savages or the Natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.” ~ Vol. I, p. 193Before May 5, 1895

June 1, 1906 “The Boer Government insulted the Indians by classing them with the Kaffirs.” ~ Vol. V, p. 59

Apr. 14, 1906 “It is not for us to say whether the revolt of the Kaffirs is justified or not. We are in Natal by virtue of British power. Our very existence depends upon it. It is therefore our duty to render whatever help we can. There was a discussion in the Press as to what part the Indian community would play in the event of an actual war. We have already declared in the English columns of this journal that the Indian community is ready to play its part;1 and we believe what we did during the Boer War should also be done now. That is, if the Government so desires, we should raise an ambulance corps. We should also agree to become permanent volunteers, if the Government is prepared to give us the requisite training.” ~ Vol. V, pp. 179-180

June 30, 1906 “We have to learn much from what the whites are doing in Natal. There is hardly any family from which someone has not gone to fight the Kaffir rebels. Following their example, we should steel our hearts and take courage. Now is the time when the leading whites want us to take this step; if we let go this opportunity, we shall repent later. We therefore urge all Indian leaders to do their duty to the best of their ability.” ~ Vol. V, p. 273

Part of Gandhi's lengthy impassioned letter to the legislative council and assembly highlighting British and Indian shared Aryan heritage, India's contribution to arts, philosphy, religion, et cetera, and civilized - as opposed to you know who.
Before December 19, 1894 "Such is India. If the picture appears to you to be somewhat overdrawn or fanciful, it is none the less faithful. There is the other side. Let him who takes delight in separating, rather than in uniting, the two nations give the other side. Then, please, examine both with the impartiality of a Daniel, and I promise that there will yet remain a considerable portion of what has been said above untouched, to induce you to believe that India is not Africa, and that it is a civilized country in the truest sense of the term civilization. ~ Vol. I, I'm not sure of the page.

December 19, 1894

May 26, 1906 “You say that the Magistrate’s decision is unsatisfactory, because it would enable a person, however unclean, to travel by a tram and that even the Kaffirs would be able to do so. But the Magistrate’s decision is quite different. The Court has declared that the Kaffirs have no legal right to travel by the trams. And, according to tram regulations, those in an unclean dress or in a drunken state are prohibited from boarding a tram. Thanks to the Court’s decision, only clean Indians or Coloured people other than Kaffirs can now travel by the trams.” ~ Vol. V, p. 235

Jan. 16, 1909 “I observed with regret that some Indians were happy to sleep in the same room as the Kaffirs, the reason being that they hoped there for a secret supply of tobacco, etc. This is a matter of shame to us. We may entertain no aversion to Kaffirs, but we cannot ignore the fact that there is no common ground between them and us in the daily affairs of life. Moreover, those who wish to sleep in the same room with them have ulterior motives for doing so. Obviously, we ought to abandon such notions if we want to make progress.” ~ Vol. IX, p. 257

This is just a bit from an article here http://www.mysteryofindia.com/2014/07/anti-black-quotes-of-gandhi.html from http://www.gandhiserve.org/cwmg/VOL001.PDF

Please listen to lecture by Arundhati Roy below, Race, Caste - Ambedkar v. Gandhi, in which Gandhi used his political power to deny the Dalits, Untouchables, their right to elect their own leaders. She also explains why MLK, Jr. was more "Gandhi than Gandhi."

The Indian Constitution was authored by Gandhi's main critic and political opponent, Dr.Ambedkar, for whom our journal is named and the first Dalit in history to receive an education (if you have never heard of Dr. Ambedkar I would urge you to try and keep an open mind about what I am saying for it is a bit like me talking to you about the founding of the USA when you have never heard of Thomas Jefferson).

Most readers are familiar with Gandhi's great hunger strike against the so called Poona Pact in 1933. The matter which Gandhi was protesting, nearly unto death at that, was the inclusion in the draft Indian Constitution, proposed by the British, that reserved the right of Dalits to elect their own leaders. Dr. Ambedkar, with his degree in Law from Cambridge, had been choosen by the British to write the new constitution for India. Having spent his life overcoming caste based discrimination, Dr. Ambedkar had come to the conclusion that the only way Dalits could improve their lives is if they had the exclusive right to vote for their leaders, that a portion or reserved section of all elected positions were only for Dalits and only Dalits could vote for these reserved positions.

Gandhi was determined to prevent this and went on hunger strike to change this article in the draft constitution. After many communal riots, where tens of thousands of Dalits were slaughtered, and with a leap in such violence predicted if Gandhi died, Dr. Ambedkar agreed, with Gandhi on his death bed, to give up the Dalits right to exclusively elect their own leaders and Gandhi ended his hunger strike.Later, on his own death bed, Dr. Ambedkar would say this was the biggest mistake in his life, that if he had to do it all over again, he would have refused to give up Dalit only representation, even if it meant Gandhi's death.
http://www.countercurrents.org/dalit-mountain200306.htm


MADem

(135,425 posts)
118. You said "He did come to regret his actions later in life, according to the Indian government."
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 02:10 AM
Sep 2016

And then you proceed to excoriate him for the very actions that he 'did come to regret.'

That's sort of like never forgiving the late Robert Byrd, the Constitution-waving elder statesman of the Senate, for his KKK membership, which he apologized for throughout the remainder of his life.

Perfect should never be the enemy of the good. Seems pretty obvious that a black man by the name of KING managed to "forgive" Ghandi for his intemperate comments and situational beliefs in his younger years. If MLK could find forgiveness and understanding, I think I'm not in a position to second guess him. The arc of Ghandi's life work was non-violent resistance--that is his legacy.

smh....

I'd still like to hear from the person who made the original comment.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
119. Gandhi's own words and actions excoriates him - not me.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 03:29 AM
Sep 2016

I beg to differ, I cannot compare Sen. Bryd who publicly demonstrated contrition for years with Gandhi who never apologized. It was a statement by the government and still upsetting to the extent that Minorities of India ask that we even stop using Gandhi as a role model. Senator, as members of the Indian minority community, we are compelled to strongly protest your celebration of Gandhi. You would do better to make America’s founding fathers your example, since they at least taught, if not always practiced, that “all men are created equal.” Gandhi, however, actively promoted inequality for all, and we question your judgment in choosing an indisputable racist as your source of inspiration. Your oversight of Gandhi’s anti-black activism is worrisome, inducing us to doubt your potential discernment as president.http://www.minoritiesofindia.org/reject-gandhi-an-open-letter-to-senator-obama/

My response to you is not about forgiveness nor the perfect being the enemy of good. It's pure information based on your apparent disbelief, judging by the emoticon, that Gandhi did not harm people. The fact is his activism did and continues to harm people.

First of all, MLK, Jr. is not the argument nor is it about whether MLK, Jr. would forgive Gandhi. By many accounts, towards the end of his life, MLK, Jr. felt that his strategy of change thru non violent resistent had reached it's limit. http://harvardwrites.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/HW_Wang.pdf

MaDem, all of our heroes have clay feet and so did MLK, Jr. But in my opinion, he was more righteous than Gandhi and hence why Roy said he was more "Gandhi than Gandhi."

MADem

(135,425 posts)
120. You made the point about his regret, not me.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 04:11 AM
Sep 2016

Now you're moving the goalposts and trying to place icons on a scale of "righteousness?" I just can't indulge in that kind of horse racing.

Please. Taking comments someone made in 1906, living in a very stratified society, and trying to make them apply to a person who has moved to yet another stratified society four decades and more later is just ... lame.

There is a reason why Ghandi is an icon, and it's not because of his blind spots--it's because of his vision, which, it cannot be denied, changed the world. MLK saw that, and I trust him more than anyone I hear from here on DU, sorry.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
121. The bottom-line is undeniable that Gandhi harmed people.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 04:44 AM
Sep 2016

I could not let your laughter go without rebuttal. I care about what has happened and continues to happen to the black people of South Africa and the minorities of India, because of Gandhi's incredible influence. And have I no investment in icon worship.

I've said my piece and am satisfied. Have a good night.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
122. Who's "laughing?"
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 05:14 AM
Sep 2016



You certainly have a vivid imagination, too.

I think we're about done here. I am still interested in hearing from the original commenter, though.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
43. At least i will have to something to remember about my vacation by other than re-roofing my house
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:23 PM
Sep 2016

Sometimes something is worth remembering and i like to have a positive outlook on something good that has happened while i toil.

She was never going to admit that even a few the things she was doing to be wrong or have wronged others. Sure hope the six feet of dirt that covers her doesn't get repulsed also

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
37. Im
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:04 PM
Sep 2016

going to have to agree with you on this one. I'll just sa I didn't care for her views and leave it at that.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
72. In addition to chastising others for reacting in such a way that lacks any real consequences.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:54 AM
Sep 2016

" That's all we can do at times..."

In addition to chastising others for reacting in such a way that lacks any real consequences.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
40. I don't see how a 92-year old dying is tragic.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:11 PM
Sep 2016

Death isn't inherently tragic. Why should she be honored now that she did something we will all do?

 

Dreamweaver 5.0

(124 posts)
44. Tragic never came to mind.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:32 PM
Sep 2016

She lived her life the way she did for a reason.
I may disagree with her belief system because I was given a different path in life.

She was given hers.

That's all.

 

Dreamweaver 5.0

(124 posts)
52. Ghandi asked his followers to practice non violent protest.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:26 AM
Sep 2016

In doing so many gave their lives in standing up to the British Empire and being slaughtered in a peacefull rebellion.

This was something that bothered him his whole life and the reason he eventually resorted to personal hunger strikes to make a stand.

Ghandi also preached that sometimes it takes bad to create harmony and vice versa.

It's a big picture concept and when one realizes we are all cogs in the wheel of progress, be it good or evil we are all moving in the same direction as one.

I hope this helps you understand where I am coming from.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
53. I do understand and appreciate your words.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:38 AM
Sep 2016

Acceptance of "bad" in the interest of creating harmony and vice versa? I have to chew on this for a bit. Cheers.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
54. Her kids got tired of waiting for her to die and are already fighting in court over the family grift
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:39 AM
Sep 2016

So don't get up on your high horse on their behalf.

And of course she was 92, so it makes even less sense to be offended on behalf of her long dead parents.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
70. What a creative little bumper sticker you and your little peeps have imagined...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:50 AM
Sep 2016

"Hatred and intolerance to others beliefs buys you a ticket to come back and have to live with those same beliefs..."

What a creative little bumper sticker you and your little peeps have imagined.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
95. She was a racist, a sexist, a misogynist and an asshole too.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:06 PM
Sep 2016

No flames--just filling out her "resume" for you.

Welcome to DU.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
61. And nothing of value was lost. I'm pissing on her grave with gleeful abandon.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:14 AM
Sep 2016

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niyad

(113,518 posts)
77. and, of course, there are the "we are better than this" posters, as expected. I have had
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:48 AM
Sep 2016

to deal with this vile, woman-hating traitor for over 40 years, and I have seen the consequences of her hatred, her hypocrisy, her soul-deep ugliness.

so, I will not pretend for one moment to feel any kind of sympathy or sorrow. glad I keep a bottle of champagne chilled.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
94. I remember her in her heyday, and I have to agree that there is some validity
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 02:59 PM
Sep 2016

in the sentence "Revenge is a dish best served cold."

She was a nasty piece of work and she did make life horrible for half our population and those who love them. I found her insufferable and pernicious, and to now affect some sort of humble "Let's not speak ill of the dead" routine would be extremely hypocritical, so I just can't and won't do it.

A dreadful and dangerous lunatic who was a harm to society has died.

Good.

rivegauche

(601 posts)
79. YES. THANK YOU.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:19 PM
Sep 2016

I won't be a hypocrite and say RIP. She was a vile, stupid cow and I'm glad she is off the earth. Good riddance.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
90. Her life's contribution: she was a pioneer in making religion-based hate mainstream.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 02:46 PM
Sep 2016

She will not be missed. I only wish she had taken Anita Bryant with her.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
106. Now now...don't you know you make unicorns cry when you say stuff like that?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 06:43 PM
Sep 2016

Some folks evidently liked the troll, go fig.

 

Dreamweaver 5.0

(124 posts)
113. Tom Hartman today said...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:22 PM
Sep 2016

I may not have agreed with her views but she was a worthy adversery . May she rest in peace.

Why the hate here on DU?

Please don't respond with what you think she did overall. Respond with FACTS how she affected your world and family personally.

She had no control over anyone here with her words, yet you chastise her as if she took the roof over your head and bread out of your children's mouths.

Sad.

Having an opposing view is a death sentence here as of late.

Been here under one name or another since 2003 and I have never felt such bad vibes on DU.




bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
114. My gay friends, who were in committed relationships, but died before they could legally marry
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:41 PM
Sep 2016

Schlafly shares a lot of blame for that.

Is that good enough for you?

I'll let others chime in with more.

 

Dreamweaver 5.0

(124 posts)
115. How?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:43 PM
Sep 2016

What did she do?
She committed pen to paper as a citizen that held no power legislation wise.

Bill Orielly and Hannity do the same.

They preach and throw red meat to their audiences but in the big picture it means nothing.

It does not have any power over me unless I give them that power.

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