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Eugene

(61,899 posts) Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:15 PM Sep 2016

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Ammon Bundy's lawyer argues for his client's right to wear cowboy boots at trial

Source: The Oregonian

Ammon Bundy's lawyer argues for his client's right to wear cowboy boots at trial

By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on September 07, 2016 at 5:00 AM, updated September 07, 2016 at 8:11 AM

Before prospective jurors file into Courtroom 9A in the federal courthouse in downtown Portland Wednesday morning, the judge is expected to rule on whether the defendants in the Oregon standoff case who are in custody can wear neckties, belts and boots at trial as requested.

Ammon Bundy's lawyer J. Morgan Philpot argued that his client is innocent until proven guilty, and should be allowed to wear the civilian clothes that he chooses.

"We would prefer our clients not look like disheveled slackers in front of the jury,'' Philpot told the judge during Tuesday's last pretrial conference hearing.

Philpot added later in the day in a written motion, "These men are cowboys, and given that the jury will be assessing their authenticity and credibility, they should be able to present themselves to the jury in that manner.''

Ammon Bundy remarked in court that he's never even worn slip-on shoes or loafers before court on Tuesday.

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Ammon Bundy's lawyer argues for his client's right to wear cowboy boots at trial (Original Post) Eugene Sep 2016 OP

Pretty sure that ain't in the bill of rights MynameisBlarney Sep 2016 #1

They are criminals. Let me wear their orange jumpsuit, or whatever they wear in jail. apcalc Sep 2016 #2

Its a trial Travis_0004 Sep 2016 #5

"We would prefer our clients not look like disheveled slackers in front of the jury" yellowcanine Sep 2016 #3

I want to see them in jumpsuits and sneakers! 2naSalit Sep 2016 #4

I didn't realize defendants had to ask permission from the judge. GeorgeGist Sep 2016 #6

They're prisoners. backscatter712 Sep 2016 #9

As I walk on the streets of Laredo. longship Sep 2016 #7

Dude is a car fleet manager. Brickbat Sep 2016 #8

Yeah, give 'em boots and c'boy hats. And the AR-15s they carried during the occupation. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #10

Such rugged he-men, afraid of slippers. randome Sep 2016 #11

maybe someone should send in some quiche for him for lunch on his day in court. salin Sep 2016 #19

Unless Every Person On Trial There Has To Wear the Jumpsuit. . . ProfessorGAC Sep 2016 #12

Most Judges have court room Wellstone ruled Sep 2016 #13

Yes they're assholes but: gopiscrap Sep 2016 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #15

These people truly are morons alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #16

Cowboys... Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #17

So let him. linuxman Sep 2016 #18

Judge finds Bundy brothers' trial attire appropriate struggle4progress Sep 2016 #20

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)

1. Pretty sure that ain't in the bill of rights

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:18 PM

Sep 2016

You'll wear the govt. issued Adidas sandals and be fucking happy about it. Moron.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)

2. They are criminals. Let me wear their orange jumpsuit, or whatever they wear in jail.

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:18 PM

Sep 2016

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)

5. Its a trial

Reply to apcalc (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:34 PM

Sep 2016

Defendants will typically wear a suit and tie.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)

3. "We would prefer our clients not look like disheveled slackers in front of the jury"

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:21 PM

Sep 2016

If the shoe fits......

2naSalit

(86,636 posts)

4. I want to see them in jumpsuits and sneakers!

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:30 PM

Sep 2016

No c'boy hats and boots!!! F'k 'em and their wannabe poseur duds.

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)

6. I didn't realize defendants had to ask permission from the judge.

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:38 PM

Sep 2016

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)

9. They're prisoners.

Reply to GeorgeGist (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:47 PM

Sep 2016

IIRC, they're held either without bail, or with extremely high bail, since they're flight risks and dangerous to the public.

So yes, it's the judge's decision on whether to make them wear prison clothes, or let them wear a suit and tie.

I'm fine with them attending their trial in their prison duds.

longship

(40,416 posts)

7. As I walk on the streets of Laredo.

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:44 PM

Sep 2016

I can see by your outfit that you are a cowboy. You can see by my outfit that I'm a cowboy, too. We can see by our outfits that we are both cowboys. So get yourself an outfit and be a cowboy, too.

(Homage to Tom and Dick Smothers.)

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)

8. Dude is a car fleet manager.

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:45 PM

Sep 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)

10. Yeah, give 'em boots and c'boy hats. And the AR-15s they carried during the occupation. nt

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:51 PM

Sep 2016

randome

(34,845 posts)

11. Such rugged he-men, afraid of slippers.

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:52 PM

Sep 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

salin

(48,955 posts)

19. maybe someone should send in some quiche for him for lunch on his day in court.

Reply to randome (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 05:34 PM

Sep 2016

ProfessorGAC

(65,057 posts)

12. Unless Every Person On Trial There Has To Wear the Jumpsuit. . .

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:56 PM

Sep 2016

. . .and gets to dress for the trial appearance, i think he should be able to wear the boots.

I would hope that the case is not so tenuous that the kind of footwear makes the difference.

The evidence is pretty clear.

Now, if everyone held in lock up awaiting trial has to wear the prison garb during trial, then he should too.

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)

13. Most Judges have court room

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:58 PM

Sep 2016

decorum and dress codes that will be followed. No hats is one of them,and they are asked to dress in Slacks and dress shirts. And a sport coat might be required.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)

14. Yes they're assholes but:

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 01:15 PM

Sep 2016

also innocent until proven guilty and as long as their choice of attire isn't disrespectful, obscene or a distraction they should be able to wear what they choose to trial

Response to Eugene (Original post)

kestrel91316 This message was self-deleted by its author.

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)

16. These people truly are morons

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 02:20 PM

Sep 2016

Wounded Bear

(58,661 posts)

17. Cowboys...

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 02:32 PM

Sep 2016

linuxman

(2,337 posts)

18. So let him.

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 05:19 PM

Sep 2016

People generally wear suit/dress shirts and shoes, or in some cases nice boots, I'm sure. So long as clothing isn't disrespectful or designed to make a scene in court, I believe the unconvicted are allowed to wear most anything they want. Most opt for dressy. I'd say a nice pair of boots would fit the description.

For the "Orange jumpsuit and sneakers!!!" folks, that attire is generally for the convicted.

struggle4progress

(118,290 posts)

20. Judge finds Bundy brothers' trial attire appropriate

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 08:12 AM

Sep 2016

By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on September 07, 2016 at 5:51 PM
updated September 07, 2016 at 7:57 PM

... The U.S. Marshals Service does not allow defendants who are in custody to wear boots, neckties or belts because they can be used as weapons ...

Judge Brown .. ruled .. that there was no evidence provided that the Bundys' trial wardrobe would in any way suggest to jurors that they were being held in jail ...

She added of Ammon Bundy, "he's dressed better than most people in the building, period.''

"Let's get going folks,'' Brown said. "You're wasting time'' ...

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/federal_judge_finds_bundy_brot.html

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