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Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 03:22 PM Sep 2016

The DEA Is Rushing To Criminalize Another Herb, And Congress Is Silent

Nearly half a century into the war on drugs, in America. But Congress has been silent in the face of an abrupt move by the Drug Enforcement Administration last week to expand the drug war by banning and criminalizing the herbal supplement kratom.

In a notice published in the Federal Register Aug. 31, the DEA announced that it is placing two active ingredients in the herb ― made from the leaves of Mitragyna speciosa, a Southeast Asian tree related to coffee ― into Schedule I under the Controlled Substances Act.icans and their congressional representatives finally seem comfortable challenging the nation’s long-standing enforcement-first drug policy.

Except for when it matters.

With very little to show for the more than $1 trillion spent and millions of lives lost or permanently scarred in the fight for prohibition, lawmakers have begun to push broadly for reform, emphasizing treatment, destigmatization, decriminalization and even legalization over tactics like incarceration and other punitive responses.

The DEA’s attack on another naturally occurring substance attracted immediate pushback from kratom supporters and drug policy experts, who reject the agency’s claim that the herb is an “imminent hazard to public safety.” Kratom users say the DEA ignored anecdotal evidence and emerging science that suggests the drug could be a promising treatment for a variety of ailments, including chronic pain and opioid addiction.


https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57d1ad7ce4b03d2d45993e0e/amp?client=safari


Please sign the petition:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/please-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance


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Igel

(35,359 posts)
3. It's been banned where it grows.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:18 PM
Sep 2016

Then again, what do they know?

(To be fair, in one country they're trying to work out some solution to the "it's banned but it grows here wild" conundrum.)

And yet, why the issue in those country if it's all well and good and perfectly safe?

(We'll pretend the deaths due to its use in the US never happened.)

anarch

(6,535 posts)
5. if you mean Thailand, it was banned largely to protect opium tax revenues
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:44 PM
Sep 2016

upon which the government sort of depended at the time it was banned.

In some other places, I'm sure it was banned for reasons of morality and such. Much like how you can't buy booze on Sundays in places where Southern Baptists make the rules.

I don't think anyone could realistically claim anything is perfectly safe, but kratom seems pretty demonstrably safer than heroin or oxycontin. And putting it on schedule I also means research into potential medical benefits is restricted, which just seems completely ridiculous.

Oh, well. At least we're still allowed to use safe, non-addictive stress relieving substances such as tobacco and alcohol.

independentpiney

(1,510 posts)
7. Indonesia, the primary source nation has some of the harshest drug laws in the world
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:03 PM
Sep 2016

Mere possession of small amounts of cannabis in Indonesia is 4-12 years mandatory, over a kilo will get someone a life sentence. Does that suggest that their drug laws are a good indicator of the potential harm of a given substance?

The references I see in a quick search indicate 15-20 kratom related deaths in the US from 2014-2016 , almost all involving other drugs. Certainly not an entirely safe substance. But how many alcohol and tobacco deaths in that same period? How many deaths from illegal and legal opiates? The opiates that kratom has been able to replace for possibly thousands of users.

(We'll pretend that deaths from street opiates and internet synthetics won't increase from cutting off availability to this .)

http://goseasia.about.com/od/indonesia/a/Drug-Laws-In-Bali-And-The-Rest-Of-Indonesia.htm

https://www.google.com/?ion=1&espv=2#q=kratom+deaths+in+us

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. the opiates that kratom has been able to replace also include high-priced prescription meds
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:26 PM
Sep 2016

which are made by pharma corps that have money to send lobbyists to DC.

On a related note:

Fentanyl Maker Donates Big to Campaign Opposing Pot Legalization

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. If causing deaths is the metric, why the fuck won't the DEA re-or-deschedule cannabis?
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:23 PM
Sep 2016

which hasn't and doesn't kill ANYONE.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
4. If it is found to be unsafe, it should be classified as a controlled substance
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:20 PM
Sep 2016

as it has been in all those countries everybody here keeps wanting us to be more like:

Denmark: Up until 2009, Denmark allowed Kratom powders to be sold with no legal repercussions. However, its status has now changed and the herb is currently listed as a controlled substance.

Finland: According to some reports, Finland requires a prescription in order to purchase and use Kratom products. Importing the plant to Finland is also illegal and will result in your shipment being seized at the border.

Germany: The legal status of Kratom in Germany is somewhat unclear, in part due to the fact that laws have recently changed. Previously, German residents could import Kratom with little difficulty. However, the herb has now been classified as an unlicensed medicine and both domestic and international purchases are being controlled under Section 73 of the Medicines Act. Personal imports are likely to be inspected by border officials and denied entry. The law also outlines potential penalties including fines and jail time for Germans who unlawfully order it online.


If it is determined to be safe, then it should be left uncontrolled. Let the government agencies, in conjunction with science and medicine, do their jobs.

PS: Just because something is "natural" does not mean it is safe or non-addictive.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. It seems to be that most of the issues around Kratom have come from interactions with other meds
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:21 PM
Sep 2016

however, there is a substantial body of anecdotal evidence that people with, for instance, opiate addiction can experience significant relief through this substance.

Making it Schedule I just shuts down any routes of inquiry entirely. And prohibition doesn't work.

Lastly, "unsafe" as per the DEA and what they call schedule I is bullshit. Unless you think cannabis is "unsafe".

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. They have to validate a paycheck every week.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:48 PM
Sep 2016

I guess crack and heroin users are not enough. What gets me about the DEA is how wrongheaded they stay toward certain drugs, decade after decade.

For a group that likes to depend on facts and evidence, they sure do love the double standard when it comes to making up stuff to keep a drug illegal.

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