Very little impact.

"she is secretive, and hiding health issues from us," no worries.

OK.

with many other issues made "secretive" with the help of the media. It's amazing the double-standard.

I want the Hillary campaign to stop 'feeding the beast' - unnecessarily!

She can't. The "beast" will say and do whatever it chooses, when it chooses, and however it chooses. Look at the 8 years of Obama. It was 8 years of made-up nonsense that was good for "ratings" but forced the Obama family to be "perfect". And even when "perfect", fictional (artificial) controversies were created to keep the beast fed and none of it came from him or his family. Yet the media lapped up the lies and kept them going to satiate that ravenous appetite called "ratings".

The cycle needs to be broken. The bar is so high now that no candidate (at least one of good conscience) will want to run for office and this is the slippery slope that leads to dictatorships. Right now, there are seats in swing districts with Republicans where no Democrat wants to even run. Who wants the hassle when "your side" doesn't get the same "grading on a curve" that the other candidate enjoys?

Not seeing how this changes anything.

Watch the pundits.

Watch the debates.

It's not even October yet, which often has surprises.

For many people, November election results can be very surprising!

This cake is still in the mixer!

That's reportedly down to about 2-3 points now. It's unlikely that news over the last couple days has improved that.

We can absolutely not treat this as though it's in the bag.

I am not getting emotional, which wastes my time.

The slippage in HRCs numbers is real, but overstated:



What's happened is the standard deviation in the polling has increased, and the polling sample rate has decreased.

... is that we've seen a number of votes internationally in the last year or two that have defied the polling (and by a larger amount than the current polling implies for our election). In every case, it was the nationalistic, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant (you get the idea) position that shockingly outperformed. People showed up to vote that were not in the polling models.

I'm not at all confident that our lead exceeds whatever that factor is.

Nor can one plan for it.

Best we can do is have multiple contingencies and multiple paths to win. We do. If we can open up more paths, even better.

But reacting to the daily news feed is going to give everyone a stomach ache.

that are fabricated completely as a distracting talking point. So if she doesn't respond to their conspiracies, she is not secretive.

It just happens by coincidence that she now has pneumonia. So if she is forthcoming now, that is absolutely the right thing to do. Responding to their conspiracies, not so much.

While driving this morning, not only did NPR and the am news station (WBBM- 780) discuss it at length, even a sports radio station mentioned it (while discussing the Bears emBearassment) as did all talk radio stations.

This is NOT an issue that is going away, unless you bury your head in the sand.

Yes they should have stopped the van and notified the press first

Not a word until they have some major explaining to do Sunday?

Ouch goes the foot.

You "could have done better" on far more than just disclosures.

"The candidate has a mild case of pneumonia and will not be attending the ceremony today - but has recorded the following statement in remembrance of what we lost 15 years ago" would have been so hard? You just had to put her out in public after a doctor tells her to get some rest and cut her schedule?

That would explain her hoarseness and tiredness and perhaps 'irritability' the last few days.

That would show her as forthcoming and open.

Instead, her supporters - we - are making pretzels again.

you've got pneumonia -- standing in the sun and heat for hours on Sunday is a no-go. It's Friday, let's put out an honest statement that you've got a mild case of pneumonia and must rest for a few days. That way we don't get accused of hiding things."

How hard is that? Why is the impulse ALWAYS to not be open about such normal things? Especially in this media-saturated world, where anything and everything is caught on video 24/7?

She's had the coughing issue for months and the campaign says that it's an allergy issue.

I'm not sure of the connection, but something involved in the coughing presumably caused (or left her more vulnerable to) the pneumonia.

But yes... it certainly explains how she looked on Friday. This, of course, adds to the aides' culpability in our pretzel twisting - since they reportedly lashed out at a reporter who said that she looked tired and listless. DNC field director Parkhomenko even suggested that he should be fired for even implying it.

"Instead, her supporters - we - are making pretzels again..."

While yet others are pretending this is something of actual substance and concern. It's not. Red herrings, while tasty, have far too much salt to be nutritious as one's only meal. Over-the-air diagnoses are no more valid than when Bill Frist did as much, but are tasty I suppose...

and then you get caught hiding medical conditions, no problem?

I don't think you'll find this case as an example of a 'red herring' sometime in the future.

More like an example of 'adding fuel to the fire'?

instead of a hospital.

Especially now in light of the fact she had been diagnosed with pneumonia just 2 days prior. It could have been a far more serious complication other than heat. Seems to be that was taking a big chance with her health.

Because they didn't want the image of her being taken to the hospital to be all over the news.

I agree it's pretty crazy.

They agreed to meet at Chelsea's apt. to be checked out. I'm sure that the dr. would have sent her on to the hospital if s/he thought it was necessary for her to be admitted.

Because she knew what was going on and how to treat herself.

fights through pneumonia and continues to campaign, Trump had a boo boo on his foot and missed the entire Vietnam War.

Great response.

Feed the health bs with announcement of pneumonia, or risk worse issues if it gets worse or has a public impact? The subtle way to do it would have been to circulate info about staffers coming down sick, because then any issues about Clinton would have been seen in that context.

In the end, I don't see what harm this could except maybe decrease turnout for Clinton very slightly. In that sense, the risk was worth taking.

"secretive" and "untrustworthy" for 25 years now.

We have been fighting this for 25 gawdam years!

And now - this.

For me, it feels like a betrayal. It really does.

But it's pretty impossible to tell ahead of time what the popular media are going to alight on to obsess over. Pneumonia diagnosis on Friday: Reveal it and you're accused of a Friday dump of vital information; don't announce it because it's not that big a deal (Clinton is under medical care and observation, counseled to take it easy), and have it blow up into something when Clinton is overcome by heat two days later. Go to the 9-11 observances and take a chance on the heat, or decline to go because of doctor's orders, and be subject to endless groundless speculation about the "real" reason for missing the necrogasm.

Heads I win, tails you lose. Every time. No matter what the instance.

Pneumonia kills people. Normal, everyday people.

If your doctor says you have pneumonia - and you're running for President of the United States - I think that is something to be disclosed, especially when the other campaign repeatedly suggests you are "hiding" medical conditions.

Where do you go now? Now that you actually do hide medical conditions?

Would an announcement on Friday that Clinton had been diagnosed with pneumonia been received by the popular media as a transparent disclosure of information? Or would it have been jeered down as a Friday news dump, conveniently timed to be lost in the forthcoming 9/11 necrogasm? If Clinton had followed her doctor's advice and rested over the weekend instead of attending yet another observance, can you guarantee that the media would have said, "Oh, she's taking care of herself and trying to get past this minor health event"? Or, would they have savaged her absence as being disrespectful of first responders, and the dead from 9/11, and the media, which all need to see her on every occasion?

What should Clinton do to head off the next nontroversy, whatever it might be? Because from my observation, they're going to complain about whatever she does and blow it up into the Greatest Crisis Ever, and gull weak-minded individuals into thinking the same thing.

and take this seriously ....you don't play around with pneumonia
and she needs to be aggressively treated

if she needs IV fluids give it to her and IV antibiotics give it to her and I'm pretty sure she's getting it
the worst nightmare is seeing the Democratic Party President nominee at a October Debate short of breath wheezing at the microphone and the Democratic National Committee know that as well as others

Hillary's health is number one priority here and everyone has had a wake up call

you don't send anybody out there with pneumonia out in the public campaigning

You rest and drink and take your antibiotics