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Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 06:17 AM Sep 2016

Bill Clinton Destroys Trump in One Sentence on Daily Show

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-donald-trump-daily-show_us_57db6aaae4b0071a6e066993?section=&

Bill Clinton only needed one sentence to deftly explain why wife Hillary would be a better presidential choice than GOP nominee Donald Trump.


“Most of her strongest supporters have either worked for her or done business with him,” he quipped.
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Bill Clinton Destroys Trump in One Sentence on Daily Show (Original Post) Stuart G Sep 2016 OP
Zing! Xipe Totec Sep 2016 #1
Ouch! liberal N proud Sep 2016 #2
This is simply brilliant Hav Sep 2016 #3
And...of course....It is the truth, not a lie..in one sentence...!!! Stuart G Sep 2016 #4
Well, no, technically it's not true. But still a good line. thesquanderer Sep 2016 #10
She has been working on policy and philanthropy for thirty years... bettyellen Sep 2016 #14
Right. (Though that doesn't alter anything I said.) n/t thesquanderer Sep 2016 #15
You parse words till they have no meaning. You can't argue with that. bettyellen Sep 2016 #17
The truth suits me fine. thesquanderer Sep 2016 #18
You are narrowing the meaning to suit a narrative. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #19
Exactly- and why one would want to muddy the waters about what is true- on a day like this of all bettyellen Sep 2016 #20
A day like this of all days? thesquanderer Sep 2016 #33
Like I said, I think it's a good line. thesquanderer Sep 2016 #22
You need to lighten up..... llmart Sep 2016 #30
I really didn't expect my little post to generate so much controversy. thesquanderer Sep 2016 #32
Bam! Dorian Gray Sep 2016 #5
destroyed? How? Not in the polls. Cobalt Violet Sep 2016 #6
True NewJeffCT Sep 2016 #9
Trump's disasterous birther "press conference" scam will definitely show up in the polls. SunSeeker Sep 2016 #34
they started to turn on him around the conventions NewJeffCT Sep 2016 #37
fantastic comment NewJeffCT Sep 2016 #7
He is a brilliant person Rose Siding Sep 2016 #8
Excellent. Coyotl Sep 2016 #11
To know trump is to dislike him Gothmog Sep 2016 #12
Not a guy you'd want to have a beer with. randome Sep 2016 #13
Trump is the kind of guy you'd never have a beer with again. bigmonkey Sep 2016 #31
Especially since Trump would probably try to stick you with his bar tab. nt GoDawgs Sep 2016 #36
Bill Clinton would be leading Trump by double digits, IMHO. andym Sep 2016 #16
I was listening awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #21
I refuse to waste a second on talk radio-something that has should have died 20 years ago. Boomerproud Sep 2016 #27
I currently work seconds awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #29
I watched Daily Show last night ... interview was great Kathy M Sep 2016 #23
Great line! democrattotheend Sep 2016 #24
From POTUS to BROTUS Glassunion Sep 2016 #25
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #26
been flipping back and forth from CNN to MSNBC since 1PM Gabi Hayes Sep 2016 #28
Elegant! ffr Sep 2016 #35

Hav

(5,969 posts)
3. This is simply brilliant
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 06:38 AM
Sep 2016

These sort of lines, that bring the message home on two fronts, are just asking for a nice ad.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
10. Well, no, technically it's not true. But still a good line.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 07:29 AM
Sep 2016

I mean, it's hard to define "strongest" supporters. (Biggest donors? Powerful endorsers like government officials and celebrities? People in her family?) But however you define it, I doubt more than 50% worked for her or done business with him. It's fine as rhetorical hyperbole, people will get it, but no, I kinda doubt there is any way to consider it literally true.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
14. She has been working on policy and philanthropy for thirty years...
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 11:57 AM
Sep 2016

And the vast majority is still with her. Trump leaves a trail of broken and angry partners behind him.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. You parse words till they have no meaning. You can't argue with that.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:35 PM
Sep 2016

Which is awesome if the truth doesn't suit you.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
18. The truth suits me fine.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 01:01 PM
Sep 2016

I like the quote, I think it is effective, and communicates something that is valid in its character. But it does not take excessive parsing to understand that it is rhetorical hyperbole and not technically true.

"Most {that is, more than 50%} of her strongest supporters {define it however you'd like} have either worked for her or done business with him"

is just not going to be a literally true statement.

He is speaking figuratively, and that's fine. But it's about as true as someone saying "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse." Unlikely. It's fine, it communicates something effectively, but just don't claim it's literal truth, that's silly.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. You are narrowing the meaning to suit a narrative.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 01:13 PM
Sep 2016

"is just not going to be a literally true statement..."
You are narrowing the meaning to suit a narrative. Additionally, you fail to provide objective evident to support your premise.

"rhetorical hyperbole..."
If and only if anything other than absolute literalism is hyperbole... meaning both metaphor and analogy would then be hyperbole as well, which is simply not true.

Though it may be fun to affect the pretense of a grammarian, unless one actually is, we more often than advertise our dramatic lack of knowledge than how clever we want to be perceived. That's silly, part II.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. Exactly- and why one would want to muddy the waters about what is true- on a day like this of all
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 01:29 PM
Sep 2016

Days is interesting to ponder.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
33. A day like this of all days?
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 10:38 PM
Sep 2016

Every day is the same. Trump shows himself to be an ass. Rinse and repeat. It's Groundhog Day.

As for why the person who wrote post #4 wanted to muddy the waters about what is true, I don't know. I merely tried to un-muddy.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
22. Like I said, I think it's a good line.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 04:11 PM
Sep 2016

My quibble was only with Stuart who said that it was even true. Well, literally, no it's not. But it's fine.

Your response implies you think metaphors are literally true, but pretty much by definition, they are not.

(Unless maybe you're stretching the meaning of the word "true," beyond linguistics and into philosophy...)

llmart

(15,540 posts)
30. You need to lighten up.....
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 09:21 PM
Sep 2016

You strike me as one of those people who think your job is to read posts and "school" the rest of us on how to write perfect posts on a discussion forum. Good lord, we're not writing legal briefs here. Give it a rest.

You must be a really fun person to be around.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
32. I really didn't expect my little post to generate so much controversy.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 10:34 PM
Sep 2016

But I guess when I want to know how I strike someone, I know who to ask.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
9. True
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 07:25 AM
Sep 2016

destroy, annihilate, etc are not really used properly in many of these over the top claims.

That said, any big "game changing" comments - maybe Bill Clinton's above, or Trump's new birther moment last night - won't show up in the polls for several days to a week.

SunSeeker

(51,572 posts)
34. Trump's disasterous birther "press conference" scam will definitely show up in the polls.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:11 AM
Sep 2016

The media used the "L" word; they actually said he lied. It was a sea change in what has been obsequious Trump coverage up to now.


NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
37. they started to turn on him around the conventions
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 08:17 AM
Sep 2016

but, when it looked like Hillary was running away with it, they turned back on Clinton.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
8. He is a brilliant person
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 07:25 AM
Sep 2016

He nailed me on my remaining bigotry. It's not quite as simplistic as being against those who disagree with me. It's not being able to relate to someone who falls for Trump's con, or the repub con in general.

It was good for me to be reminded that some of the the demo in Trump's camp are vets and good neighbors, barring politics. It's just that politics is so big now, even the "good" among them seem to have their teeth bared towards "the other" and any progress at all.

Bill teaches when he speaks. I didn't realize that for the first time, addiction is more rampant in rural/suburban areas.

My favorite of Trevor's remarks about Trump was whether you want to be for someone against logic or ideas.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. Not a guy you'd want to have a beer with.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 09:53 AM
Sep 2016

More like the guy you'd call the manager on: "Can you tell this dude to stop pestering us?"
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andym

(5,444 posts)
16. Bill Clinton would be leading Trump by double digits, IMHO.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:34 PM
Sep 2016

Man is a once in a generation political genius.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
21. I was listening
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 01:44 PM
Sep 2016

to talk radio the other day (yeah, it sucks, but you have to know the enemy). They were going on and on about Bill having denture lisp and people reporting he has nursing home smell. It was the silliest crap I have ever heard- stupid and juvenile, especially the denture thing. Someone with his money would have implants, not a plate like me (saving up for implants)

Boomerproud

(7,955 posts)
27. I refuse to waste a second on talk radio-something that has should have died 20 years ago.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 07:41 PM
Sep 2016

I used to work second shift and the garbage coming out the hosts and callers mouths was something to behold while I was driving home. I kept wondering what planet these people lived on.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
29. I currently work seconds
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 08:00 PM
Sep 2016

and have a 15 minute trip home. We have a lot of vets, and it is a "conservative" atmosphere. I like to know ahead of time what BS is going to be spewed the next day.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
28. been flipping back and forth from CNN to MSNBC since 1PM
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 07:56 PM
Sep 2016

saw that clip exactly ONCE

what a surprise

how many bondi stories do you think were up there?










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