This is not who we are - we are better than this....

NC - right now, you have shamed our country in so many ways..

go figure...

and several people yelling and screaming at him....could cause him to completely shut down.
The officers are supposed to know that...

If he had a brain injury and couldn't deal with pressure how the fuck did he deal with 7 kids?

I don't get it.

do people want 7 or more for selfish reasons or because they dont know what birth control is?

... to look at TV that much.. who knows.

thx so much for posting. turning on the tv now.
k&r

This is the video his wife took with her phone. No wonder the police chief doesn't want to release the video. He's trying to stall until the new law goes into effect on O1 Oct. that makes it illegal to show the videos to the public.

MSNBC is analyzing the video frame by frame. Fecal material is hitting the oscillating device!

this won't do the current situation any good. i don't get why oct 1st makes it okay to stall now. but if the judges who would hear any legal request right now are right wingers then the police know they'll get away with stalling. justice, my ass!

...even if they stall, according to the City Attorney.

placed there by the different officers.

Don't resist? What do you think?

Pretty sure she says "Keith! Don't YOU do it.!" several times.

Keith (because she knew that he had a TBI)...and she was commanding the police "don't you do it".....definite change of tone between the two.

Anything but.

"don't you do it" ==> don't shoot Keith.
This is my interpretation. She's in a panic and her directives are hard to disambiguate.

IMO. On one hand, she's telling her husband to get out of the car. In the other conversation, she's telling the cops not to break the car window "don't you do it!" Unfortunately, because she switches back and forth so much, some people will assume that she's telling her husband not to do something bad. But she clearly told the loud mouthed thugs that her husband did NOT have a gun. It's hard to drop a gun when you don't have a gun.

Is it then common practice for cops to routinely carry a throw away gun to cover an illegal shooting because it is such a frequent occurrence?

If so, then it must be accepted as a normal practice by every other cop in that department since there is evidently collusion between them all to plant the evidence that would exonerate themselves, and there is no fear of being called out.

As in many other videos, the cops are immediately yelling yp "drop the gun" to give themselves cover, even when in subsequently revealed that there never was any weapon.

... first time the LEO was really calm and matter of fact about it

my goodness

1:42, no gun. 1:46, look, gun!

... that wasn't there when she got there and was videoing the event.

Now MSNBC shows the gun at the end of the feet of one of the officers that wasn't there in the beginning

There are people saying that it's gloves, but I'm not buying that. It's the right size and shape for a handgun. There were a pair of gloves thrown down by another cop - but you can tell those are gloves. You can see very clearly that there was nothing at all on the ground, then camera shake, then suddenly there's that object by his feet, in the light.

I am so sorry and ashamed of my country, that your fears are valid

... to feel safe.

The wife said he had a TBI... there was little to no leadership on the LEO's side to deescalate the situation.

Also, the man most likely didn't know there were any police...

The lawyers for the family said the man was moving backwards in the video that was shown by city...

The gun throwdown was awful, how many dead people out there have been framed by dirty police in N.C.?

... gun.

This is aweful...

just aweful

The poor man, he has several people yelling at him. And his wife is telling them he has a tbi. If the cops were so scared of him, why are they so close. It's not like he could go anywhere. And what was it he did again that was illegal to start all this? Where was the alledged gun?

My gut instinct was - if some is pointing a gun at you . . .

Why would you stand so close to him.

It doesn't make sense.

If those were Green Berets or Seals - it would make sense. My dad was a GB - and he was one brazen mo fo.

But the average police officer in America? No way. They aren't trained for combat.

Hopefully they'll all spend a very long time in jail. Too many of the cops executing black men have walked free or just gotten a slap on the wrist.

... and taking it away.

It looks like there's two items thrown down... one is a pair of guns... the other looks like to be a weapon.

These weren't there in the beginning...

The CPD can release what they have and be more transparent ... there's no need to hide if shit is right IMHO

no conscience.

Waiting for all the Good Cops to cross the "mythical" Blue Wall and call out the Tiny Minority of Bad Cops that engage in these murders and cover ups.

... and do what Tulsa did.

They're not going through all this bullshit

No gun, gun appears, Fuck.

That can be seen as the view 1st comes around. Seems to end up between red guys legs when he steps back after he picks up the 1st pair of gloves.

... the ground

They were supposedly going to pick up someone else & got so distracted with killing Scott, the guy they were looking for is.....where? Wasn't he supposed to be the criminal, not Scott. How did Scott wind up being the criminal?

I swear, some of you are so hell bent on seeing whatever confirms your preconceived notions you will twist anything until it's exactly what you want it to be.

I see black surgical gloves being put on and some dropped, and it looks like they moved the gun away from him- a normal safety measure in case a person tries to grab it again. People shot have been known to keep trying to resist or shoot.

Some of you are just as bad in your bigotry against cops to twist everything as racists are to twist every black man into a thug. Putting on gloves to render aid and kicking the gun away becomes a twisted conspiracy to have a "drop gun" because it's some shit you've seen in the movies.

... there is a gun unless people are going to claim surgical gloves are now gun shaped.

Since the CPD isn't giving out a vid, when they can, I'm not giving CPD the benefit of the doubt

Once again, if there is a person who had a gun you move the gun away from them for safety, but you don't take it from the scene.

And on a crowded scene it's probably going to be moved once quickly to get it away and later farther away.

It's far, far, far more likely that they moved the gun than there was some sort of mythical "throw down" gun. The SBI will be going over that one very well in the crime lab and if it's a "throw down" there won't be any of his fingerprints on it in the normal areas from handling and loading a gun. It's virtually imposes blew to split someone else's fingerprints in a controlled situation and make them look like ones that were on it from actual handling, and clearly they didn't have time to do that in the video with loads of people watching. That's why "throw down" guns are pretty mic Hollywood myth, modern forensics makes it easy to disprove.

The most rational, logical explanation is that they moved the gun away from him As a safety measure as every cop is trained to do in these situations. Believe the conspiracy nonsense about "throw down" guns if it makes you feel better to divorce yourself from reality.

... off to handle a bloody body.

Right now MSNBC is showing the CPD circulated pic of what they're reporting a gun

They're also saying the police tape shows there's a gap in time that's significant.

Why would they scoot a gun away from someone already incapacitated vs pic it up.

You don't want to disturb the crime scene any more than needed. Scooting it away achieves safety without handling it so you have altered as little as possible. Picking it up can leave fingerprints or with gloves on smudge existing prints as one example of why scooting it away is best.

Move it away just enough to be safe and out of the way of EMS and don't let anyone mess with it again until the crime scene people show up. And tell them what you did move.

... knee jerk reaction of the CPD is to needlessly clam up.

IMHO there's more benefit in transparency here than not especially after this vid is being released.

Some here seem to think it is easy to get away with throwing down a gun. Only in the movies.
There would be the problem of no prints or DNA on the gun - or the wrong prints or DNA on the gun. And then there is the question of having a gun available for a throw down. Again, only in the movies.

... case in front of other LEOs.

There's a fucking video of a Carolina LEO planting a throw down !!!

Really!?

People aren't going to give the benefit of the doubt to people who don't deserve it

It is just not there. There is video of no gun on the ground, the video moves away for 3 or 4 seconds, it comes back and there is a gun on the ground. Nothing which shows whether it was dropped or whether it was kicked there away from the man on the ground - exactly what one would expect a LEO to do if a man holding a gun is shot and is down on the ground.

Not a question of giving the benefit of the doubt. It is a question of not saying you see things that you do not see.

... come on people, lets see it from others perspective.

People aren't upset because there's nothing else to do, there's a history of this shit

Sorry you are wrong. This video does not show that.

"Some here seem to think it is easy to get away with throwing down a gun"...

as if throwing down a gun has never been done before in broad daylight in front of many people.

It has

So there's no reason to give these same LEOs the benefit of the doubt in this matter

Your logic escapes me.

... casually the LEO who shot WS in the back used a throw down.

I think these guys are cognoscente of being recorded and don't have to give a damn, especially in shit mouth ran places like NC and its bullshit ass'd govorner

"You intimated it wouldn't be easy to get away with it, I disagree seeing how casually the LEO who shot WS in the back used a throw down. "

Besides the video, the taser he planted would not have had Walter Scott's prints or DNA on it...and there's the whole problem with all the bullets being in Walter Scott's back.

The cop may have been casual, but he was clumsy and moronic. The second he pulled the trigger, he was as good as caught.

... action figure has a cell phone there was no reason for the LEO in SC to act so causual about planting a throw down.

This seems like it happens ALL the time

And this thread will go down a rabbit hole.

Because that is what they are trained to do - get the gun away from a person who is down. They have no way of knowing whether the man is completely incapacitated or not. Kicking it away is faster than picking it up. And less chance of interfering with the evidence if it is scooted away versus handling it.

aggressive, and authoritarian that I wondered if it was that NC governor, Pat McCrory, who's reportedly been making everything he gets involved with worse. Yup. Schmuck.

I was glad and proud about the peaceful protests last night and the wise and skilled ways they were handled by OTHER people who believed that the protests should be allowed to proceed without unnecessary interference so long as they continued to be peaceful. And I woke up and found they had.

Hopefully, one worthwhile thing that comes from this tragedy will be screwing the lid on McCrory's reelection closed for good.

what takes me back is the way she is talking to her husband.
She isn't animated. She is calm. She is even-toned.
She is trying really hard to stabilize the situation.

They're going to be extra twitchy around any large black male even when they're black cops, themselves.

What really shows up in this video is that the very important information from the wife (TBI, had a PDA and didn't have a gun, had just taken medication) was simply ignored by the panicky cops.

This has got to stop. They have got to weed out the racists and train cops how to de escalate any tense situation, starting by lowering their voices and taking one step back. Oh, and don't draw those damned guns so quickly.

I'm sorry to bring bad news......

... whether he should've been shot

Also, that's a past report... not current situation where the CPD is relatively needlessly clamming up

Nor would it make it ok to have a gun in your hand when police are yelling to drop it.

The open question here is whether he had one or not.

Felony charge.

... of that

Plates are run very rapidly and automatically in many jurisdictions these days.

Either way - it's irrelevant to this part of the conversation, which has two parts:

1 - Some here seem to think that because NC is an "open carry" state... that having a gun in your hand while police are yelling at you to drop it (if he indeed had a gun) is not something that could get you shot, because he had a right (under that twisted logic) to hold a gun openly. The logic of that position is entirely lacking, but even were it rational... he wouldn't have such a right because open carry doesn't apply to him. Whether the police would know that or not is irrelevant because the conversation left the realm of the rational as soon you claimed that open carry impacts the determination to shoot someone who won't drop a gun when police order him to do so.

2 - His felony convictions might or might not be relevant to how the police treated him if they knew about them, but they are definitely relevant to this conversation. There are hundreds of police-involved shootings each year. Some number are appropriate and some are not. We're trying to figure out whether this shooting is yet another example of wrongful police behavior or not. We want to know whether he placed police in a position to fear for their own safety or not. The video isn't conclusive.

Would these specific police officers kill an unarmed man and then plant a gun? I don't know. Would this specific suspect place otherwise-righteous police in a position where they had to shoot him? Again, we don't know. The past history of both is relevant to that determination.

Is it possible that a police officer guilty of prior violence against an innocent defendant could be falsely accused of violence? Sure. Is it possible for someone with a violent criminal past to be falsely accused of it in the present? Again... absolutely.

BUT... when I read that he has a decades-long history of assaults involving deadly weapons (not just a single case that might be explainable) and evading police... plus multiple cases where he had (and used) a firearm that he was not permitted to own...I find it easier to believe that he had one in this case.

TIA

Do you have some special inside information no one else does?

... for they would've left him alone

They can identify the owner/ who the vehicle is registered to ... but, no more than that.

Just saying. Standard SOP in these situations.

But thanks for playing.

Whether he had a gun or not may be the only relevant question outstanding.

Any previous criminal record is irrelevant

We, the DU jury, find the cop guilty of first degree murder.

No need for jail, let's just get a rope and hang him out back.

...it might be a glove. Funny how Republicans want everyone to have a gun, but with exceptions...