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kennetha

(3,666 posts)
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:02 PM Sep 2016

URGENT: New York Times Video Appears to Show what may be a Gun Being Planted.

Look closely at this from about 2:10 marks -- just before the object starts to fall from the side of the African American officer -- to - around 2:14, when the object lands on the ground.

Then look again around 2:24 as the African America officer moves to pick up the same object he appeared to drop.


We need to get the media's attention on this. We need to make this go viral.

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URGENT: New York Times Video Appears to Show what may be a Gun Being Planted. (Original Post) kennetha Sep 2016 OP
My husband was a cop for 12 years. When he heard about this incident... MANative Sep 2016 #1
Gloves citood Sep 2016 #29
Why drop gloves??? mainer Sep 2016 #46
News said last night that there is a new law going into effect Oct 1st and THIS is why they are not misterhighwasted Sep 2016 #2
Some info here Egnever Sep 2016 #17
It looks like the cop drops gloves in that shot. Not a gun WestCoastLib Sep 2016 #3
What I saw too, but I've seen a few guns in my life. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #6
yes, gun shaped gloves... MSNBC shows the pic of the gun at the end of his feet and the contrast uponit7771 Sep 2016 #23
Look at the feet of the officer in red exboyfil Sep 2016 #4
Now ur talking...it's near the white truck behind jmg257 Sep 2016 #8
They sure did plant a gun there, two.. I saw two guns fall down well after the shooting icymist Sep 2016 #5
That man in the red shirt threw down a gun. icymist Sep 2016 #9
Sheesh cops use gloves to touch suspects and bodies jmg257 Sep 2016 #14
I'm not buying it. icymist Sep 2016 #15
Not cops with so much to hide... not taking their word for it uponit7771 Sep 2016 #19
Gloves. Nt B2G Sep 2016 #12
Yup. Gun shaped gloves. icymist Sep 2016 #16
+1, lol... smh at folk who take the words of the people who wont release vids uponit7771 Sep 2016 #20
has anyone identified the model of the gun? jberryhill Sep 2016 #40
Gloves...2 pairs. Cops use them. jmg257 Sep 2016 #7
Yeap, gun shaped gloves too ... I don't trust them because there's little transparency uponit7771 Sep 2016 #21
Could a glove look like a gun? 1 or 2 fingers out the rest massed like a fist or hand grip? underpants Sep 2016 #30
I don't know, I didn't see anything that looked like a gun jmg257 Sep 2016 #32
That's so wobbly sharp_stick Sep 2016 #10
I repeat, if you don't take lethal weapons from law enforcement, closeupready Sep 2016 #11
Thank you...but check the ground near the jmg257 Sep 2016 #13
The cop in red's left foot doesn't move Shankapotomus Sep 2016 #18
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #22
Gloves and they move the gun Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #24
Rubber gloves and I... jayfish Sep 2016 #25
Is that the World's Smallest Gun or what? jberryhill Sep 2016 #34
Some .25 or .32 caliber pistols are pretty tiny. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2016 #36
The internet is chock-a-block with "gun experts" jberryhill Sep 2016 #38
Agreed - being a photographer it could just be some trash or a hole in the road womanofthehills Sep 2016 #39
Yep. That's a glove, not a gun. Nt B2G Sep 2016 #43
Doubt that's a gun kennetha Sep 2016 #45
I doubt it. Calista241 Sep 2016 #26
You know about the NC crime lab scandal? wildeyed Sep 2016 #31
You are going to believe what the crime lab concludes? philosslayer Sep 2016 #37
Something black at the exboyfil Sep 2016 #27
Freeper says report has dead guys blood, DNA and finger prints on gun. Cicada Sep 2016 #28
I couldn't discern the details through my tears. wildeyed Sep 2016 #33
that was what I took away from this ... why did the POLICE escalate this etherealtruth Sep 2016 #35
Why would you throw down gloves? mainer Sep 2016 #41
"Keith, don't you do it" FrodosPet Sep 2016 #42
Read aloud from the book he is holding? Fla_Democrat Sep 2016 #47
At 2:10 look at the guy in the red. kennetha Sep 2016 #44

MANative

(4,112 posts)
1. My husband was a cop for 12 years. When he heard about this incident...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:05 PM
Sep 2016

he said, "Plant. You can count on it." I'm so angry and disgusted, I can barely think straight. RIP, Keith.

citood

(550 posts)
29. Gloves
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:19 PM
Sep 2016

I think he drops and later picks up gloves.

Also, in the photos which show a gun have it closer to the curb. Odd thing though...I don't see anything near the curb in the video.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
2. News said last night that there is a new law going into effect Oct 1st and THIS is why they are not
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:09 PM
Sep 2016

releasing the video now. The law states that police videos DO NOT have to be shared with the public.
It is in effect Oct 1.
They said that this is the reason they are holding onto the video, to wait out that deadline. At which point it will never have to be shown.

Does anyone know about this law?

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
17. Some info here
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:53 PM
Sep 2016
The new body camera law passed 88-20 in the state House, and 48-2 in the state Senate. In the Senate, only Sen. Chad Barefoot, R-Wake, and Sen. Jeff Jacson, D-Mecklenburg, voted against.

McCrory, a Republican, signed North Carolina's body camera bill in July, saying it strikes the "necessary balance" between a public's right to know and protecting law enforcement officers. His administration, including Secretary of Public Safety Frank Perry, continue to defend the law from criticism.



Read more at http://www.wral.com/new-nc-body-camera-law-will-mean-court-order-required-for-police-video-release/16037830/#LrE6KiHCtrHmLtCk.99

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
23. yes, gun shaped gloves... MSNBC shows the pic of the gun at the end of his feet and the contrast
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:05 PM
Sep 2016

... contrasting pictures

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
4. Look at the feet of the officer in red
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:21 PM
Sep 2016

When she first starts filming him. You can see a dark object. It gets obscured later by him and his shadow. Not saying it is a gun, but take a look.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
8. Now ur talking...it's near the white truck behind
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:24 PM
Sep 2016

The red guy when the view 1st swings around. He seems to step back over it after grabbing the gloves.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
5. They sure did plant a gun there, two.. I saw two guns fall down well after the shooting
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:21 PM
Sep 2016

First, from the man in the red shirt and then the black officer. Run the video in very slow motion. It is clear to me that gun(s) are planted.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
9. That man in the red shirt threw down a gun.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:27 PM
Sep 2016

Then he picks it up. The other man throws down two items which could be gloves. I think they knew they are being filmed so they want confusion here.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
14. Sheesh cops use gloves to touch suspects and bodies
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:37 PM
Sep 2016

Ours were white, theirs are black.

No big mystery.

underpants

(182,823 posts)
30. Could a glove look like a gun? 1 or 2 fingers out the rest massed like a fist or hand grip?
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:21 PM
Sep 2016

IF true this would debunk the "See! It's a gun" that I heard this morning.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
32. I don't know, I didn't see anything that looked like a gun
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:33 PM
Sep 2016

In the video, other then an object behind the truck which could be.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
11. I repeat, if you don't take lethal weapons from law enforcement,
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:29 PM
Sep 2016

some of them ARE going to end up abusing their power.

On edit, not sure if it's a gun or a glove I see dropping to the ground.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
13. Thank you...but check the ground near the
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:34 PM
Sep 2016

Back of the white truck behind the red guy when the view 1st swings around...he ends up standing over it after picking up the 1st pair of gloves.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
24. Gloves and they move the gun
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:06 PM
Sep 2016

Some of y'all need to loosen your tinfoil hats.

They are putting on gloves to render aid- normal- and they move the gun away from the suspect for safety- normal.

jayfish

(10,039 posts)
25. Rubber gloves and I...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:06 PM
Sep 2016

would be willing to bet it's the same object shown here.

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. Is that the World's Smallest Gun or what?
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 05:51 PM
Sep 2016

That object is closer to the camera than his feet are, and it would be a pretty tiny gun.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,343 posts)
36. Some .25 or .32 caliber pistols are pretty tiny.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:15 PM
Sep 2016

I haven't seen one in many years, but I think they're still available. And small.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. The internet is chock-a-block with "gun experts"
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:25 PM
Sep 2016

Okay, so this gun is maybe a third the size of his shoe and about the width of a little finger.

Maybe he has big feet, but if he does, I'll bet he has big hands.

But, in all the internets, nobody has identified this particular gun?

Really?

womanofthehills

(8,712 posts)
39. Agreed - being a photographer it could just be some trash or a hole in the road
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 07:02 PM
Sep 2016

Look at the leaves to the right. It's the size of a small leaf.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
45. Doubt that's a gun
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 08:33 PM
Sep 2016

Look how small it is in comparison to the person's foot. Blow it up and you'll see it's not even metallic. It looks sort of crumpled. And that part that stick out looks more like a thumb of a glove, say, than a trigger or a hammer.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
26. I doubt it.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:11 PM
Sep 2016

That weapon is going to be tested.

If the weapon is clean of fingerprints, that's more than a little suspicious. If the cops fingerprints are on it, despite them wearing gloves, that's more than a little suspicious. Planting the subjects fingerprints, once the gun is public and on video, is nigh impossible. Especially with 20 more police officers and other first responders just minutes from showing up.

The cop had to have the gun, clean of all his fingerprints, on his person throughout his shift in case this situation presented itself. There was no opportunity for him to go back to his car, retrieve and / or clean a gun, then come back and place it.

And it's not as simple as putting the suspects finger on the trigger. The most effective places to test a gun for fingerprints are on the magazine and on rounds still located inside the magazine. Planting that evidence takes time, and would be impossible in such an environment with the gun in view of multiple people and on video.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
31. You know about the NC crime lab scandal?
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:32 PM
Sep 2016

Where they falsified hundreds of reports, include several capital cases, to secure convictions? So hard to have much faith in the system.

http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/2013/09/24/north-carolinas-crime-lab-scandal-remains-unaddressed/

IMO, it doesn't matter if he did or did not have a gun. The issue is the lack of transparency in the process.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
37. You are going to believe what the crime lab concludes?
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:22 PM
Sep 2016

Ha. That's funny. Who do you think they're going to try to protect? Care to take a guess?

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
27. Something black at the
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:14 PM
Sep 2016

feet of the officer in red at 1:22 (gunshots at 1:08). It later gets obscured by the officer in red. If it is a throw down he would have to have done it in 14 seconds.

You kind of see it even at 1:19.

It does not look like it is in the same place in relation to the man who was shot in the photo that appeared earlier.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
33. I couldn't discern the details through my tears.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:36 PM
Sep 2016

That was the first time I saw that. Fuck. He had TBI and was on meds. He didn't understand what they wanted. Fuck.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
41. Why would you throw down gloves?
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 07:49 PM
Sep 2016

If you plan to use them to handle evidence evidence, why throw them on the ground first?

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
44. At 2:10 look at the guy in the red.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 08:30 PM
Sep 2016

He is bending down and either picking something up or putting something down.

Also, look at 1:21 as the wife approaches. There is another dark object on the ground near the curb. But a few seconds later it is no longer visible. He could be standing over it, but when he moves away from that spot a bit, you still can't see it.

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