I was witness to it at Uconn for our basketball championship back in 1999. Beating Duke led to quite the hard party.

That said, there was universal condemnation of our actions back then.

It's just good old fashioned shenanigans. That's what white folks do. Especially after a victory in some important championship game. Appropriate and expected.














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Rioting is simply no acceptable, regardless of skin color.

Possibly the same people who thought white people were merely scavenging supplies while black people were looting during Katrina.

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Regardless, I don't care if some idiots try to excuse violent rioting be whites. It only proves some white are criminals (as is the case with people of all races). It does not excuse anyone, black or otherwise, rioting in Charlotte.

Rioting is still unacceptable.

White people rioting doesn't excuse black people rioting. It just highlights the racially biased perceptions of the rioting.

Justification? Maybe never-ending civil rights violations and constant fear of interacting with authorities qualifies.

I'm white. I can only imagine.

... those who riot cause they can?

tia

turning over cars after a ball game and protesting police shootings of civilians? There are distinctions that can be made but I'd like to hear yours.

I care not at all for the reason if you're violently attacking innocents and setting fire to their property. It's not protest, it's mayhem.

If someone engage in such conduct, they are a violent criminal (and statistically already have a criminal record), and should be treated as such. Just like truly bad cops, these people should be tried for their crimes, and if found guilty, sent to prison.

because this is just 'interrupting traffic flow'

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(and voluntarily) trying to protect baby animals or run of the mill traffic due to high volume or accidents and a mob wielding fire and threatening violence on innocents...



If you party supports the rioters, we should start getting used to saying "President Trump."

I really cannot comprehend how people cannot condemn both unjustified police violence and rioters. It's not an either / or proposition.

and one instance of animals that are literally too dumb to stay off the road.

Yeah. Totally the same thing as a bunch of assholes purposefully blocking traffic in the name of protest.

When this is done after say a football game, it's not the same situation.

It doesn't get as much attention because it's a "flash mob." It forms fast and dissipates fast before news crews get anyone on the ground. And it rarely repeats. It's also not a protest so the numbers are smaller and entirely comprised of drunk kids and hooligans.

Some of these same kids are also the ones who are creating trouble in the legit peaceful protests.

In any case, it's never been acceptable behavior.

Woodstock 1999.

There was some sort of general store there with camping supplies (I did not ever step foot in it during the festival), but we looted their trailers on the last day during the riot.

I think we felt we were "sticking it to the man" for the $5 bottles of water.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

There are more serious reasons why people in Charlotte are protesting.

I'm sick of people using the term rioting for what's happening in Charlotte.

it becomes acceptable to attack violently innocents and burn down their property or its some exception to the relevant criminal code? Where is such a position in the Democratic Platform?

What happened in Charlotte was rioting by any layman or legal definition of the term. The images and video were broadcast live far and wide. The existence of the riots are not in doubt. I need not be an attorney to offer such an obvious statement of fact and law.

All the rioting did was diminish and overshadow the efforts of the peaceful protesters. Not only will the riots not engender criminal justice or police reform, the images could very well swing the state to Trump in the election. Do you believe a President Trump will be good for minority and police interaction?

I'm stating that when police kill unarmed people over and over for decades (and unarmed black people throughout our country's history) with no justice, our justice system is broken and in desperate need of repair.

Protests in the streets are not only inevitable, they are justifiable. Some of that turns ugly. That too is inevitable.

Peace, to me, means a lot more than just throwing people in jail. Did you know that there are currently more black people in prison than were enslaved during the height of slavery. We have a terrible problem that must be addressed by more than just imprisoning people.

To me, peace also means justice. Justice for the families of the innocent victims of police violence. Dramatic action to decrease and eliminate state-sponsored violence from police.

Yes, the people who break the law should be brought to justice. We agree there.

As for your argument that this may cause people to vote for Donald Trump. I'd suggest that the folks who vote for him don't care much for justice. They only care for 'peace' in the absence of justice. Like the 'law & order' people who voted for Richard Nixon & George Wallace. It's a buzz word for crackdowns on protesters but nothing in terms of reforming police departments & the criminal justice system. If Trump wins North Carolina, I wouldn't blame the people who were violent in Charlotte. I'd blame the people who voted for Trump.

I would extend you argument.

When peaceful protesters turn to violence and mayhem against innocents, it too is inevitable that a once sympathetic public will treat them as the criminals they are, no longer give value to the object of their original protest, and turn to people like Trump who condemn such action and talk of safety and security.

You admirably discuss injustice in what appears to be an implied defense of at least some of the rioters. I posit that you're ignoring the injustices committed against the innocent victims of the rioters. If the complaint is that some police officers are violent criminals, you don't gain moral authority by becoming a violent criminal.

Attacking passing motorists and other innocents like news reporters and setting buildings on fire will not right injustice or improve race relations. If the movement becomes too closely associated with such violence, one of the inevitable effects will be the election of conservative populists, Trump being just one terrible example.

the OP is about white people rioting, and I was talking about a white person riot. I said nothing about Charlotte.

Anyway, Charlotte is in fact a riot, judging by the textbook definition. Sometimes riots are called for (in the case of injustice). I made no attempt to justify or deny the appropriateness of the current riot.

Hope you enjoy the weekend. Let us hope cooler heads prevail, toward both justice and peace.

The armed take over of a bird sanctuary. That and the Bundy ranch fiasco are every bit a break down in civil order as a riot.

Black, white, sporting event or no.

It was a mass burning of Disco albums at Comiskey Park organized by Steve Dahl. I remember when it happened. It was planned and deliberate and sanctioned by the White Sox, I guess.

Now, certainly we can object to the wanton destruction of media, but disco had gotten a bit annoyingly inescapable by that point IIRC.


Okay, edited to add: Reading the wikipedia page on the thing, I guess you probably could mark it down under "riot". My bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night

That's what the photo captions said.

White people riot over sportsball games.

Got to continue making Black people look bad, I guess.

news crews and other innocents, loot stores and set buildings on fire, you're going to "look bad," at the very least. That's how it should be.

All violent rioters are criminal and should be treated as such. Perceived leniency against white rioters, although a dubious suggestion based on the provided and discussed examples, is not actually a defense of rioters, regardless of race, in Charlotte.

When Black people riot, Martin Luther King says A riot is the language of the unheard But from what I have observed in some cases whites tend to do it when their favorite team wins, Or for NO reason at all.

White people going MAD.

http://www.ndsn.org/mayjun97/boulder.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/boulder-s-halloween-riot-cost-18-000-in-damages


Also when I was in another country that's about 97% white I saw a soccer riot as well. Bad shit too.

Crazy cra cra...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682036/Euro-2016-Poland-Ukraine-riot-fans

Halloween, soccer, etcetera. People do shit.