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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 04:21 PM Sep 2016

WAPO: Dear readers: Please stop calling us ‘the media.’ There is no such thing.



Yes, in some sense, we are the media. But not in the blunt way you use the phrase. It’s so imprecise and generic that it has lost any meaning. It’s — how would you put this? — lazy and unfair.

As I understand your use of this term, “the media” is essentially shorthand for anything you read, saw or heard today that you disagreed with or didn’t like. At any given moment, “the media” is biased against your candidate, your issue, your very way of life.

But, you know, the media isn’t really doing that. Some article, some news report, some guy spouting off on a CNN panel or at CrankyCrackpot.com might be. But none of those things singularly are really the media.

Fact is, there really is no such thing as “the media.” It’s an invention, a tool, an all-purpose smear by people who can’t be bothered to make distinctions.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/dear-readers-please-stop-calling-us-the-media-there-is-no-such-thing/2016/09/23/37972a32-7932-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
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WAPO: Dear readers: Please stop calling us ‘the media.’ There is no such thing. (Original Post) ehrnst Sep 2016 OP
Sorry we hurt your sensitivities BSdetect Sep 2016 #1
It's a bit like people blaming "the Government", when in fact it's the Reps blocking everything. OnDoutside Sep 2016 #19
How about "Lazy Assholes Who Refuse To Fact Check POTUS Candidates"? KittyWampus Sep 2016 #2
I co-sign this idea JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #3
+1 stage left Sep 2016 #7
I agree. nt irisblue Sep 2016 #12
Aye! phallon Sep 2016 #24
Works for me (n/t) Retrograde Sep 2016 #29
Lets say there isn't any such thing as a journalist n/t doc03 Sep 2016 #4
Agreed! Delphinus Sep 2016 #13
How about "The conservative corporate propaganda media"? Fozzledick Sep 2016 #5
"There is no media, you guys are just being silly and that's why we're laughing at you." Shandris Sep 2016 #6
This is snark, right? NightWatcher Sep 2016 #8
Signed, North Korean Newslady ... closeupready Sep 2016 #9
"Paul Farhi is The Washington Post's media reporter". OK Paul, your resignation is accepted. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2016 #10
Agreed phallon Sep 2016 #25
Lost meaning? underpants Sep 2016 #11
I agree in a sense NobodyHere Sep 2016 #14
On Iraq, journalists didn’t fail. They just didn’t succeed. .99center Sep 2016 #15
How about... Cerridwen Sep 2016 #16
What would you call the group of people serving as go-between between the powers that be and the world wide wally Sep 2016 #17
I tweeted at that asshole angrychair Sep 2016 #18
What media is....is 6 giant corporations who own 90% of what we call media/press.... FrenchieCat Sep 2016 #20
Good post. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #21
Dear WaPo: there's a perfectly good reason we call you "the media" DFW Sep 2016 #22
nice try WaPo. Whatever you insist on calling yourselves, you are shameless librechik Sep 2016 #23
You are correct, it isn't media, it is Corporate Media. Thanks for alerting me to be more precise still_one Sep 2016 #26
"Lazy and unfair?" 6000eliot Sep 2016 #27
whatever, media tandem5 Sep 2016 #28
I think we need to make a distinction between television, print, and social media. kentuck Sep 2016 #30
Stop deflecting and do your jobs. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #31

Delphinus

(11,830 posts)
13. Agreed!
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 05:22 PM
Sep 2016

I would love a definition of journalist now, versus back in the days of Edward R. Murrow.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
6. "There is no media, you guys are just being silly and that's why we're laughing at you."
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 04:40 PM
Sep 2016

"And we're telling you that because we totally don't want you to get laughed at. I mean seriously, we NEVER run articles that rely primarily on namecalling, mockery, or other forms of lowbrow childishness. It really has NOTHING to do with us being a major media organization that realizes that everyone ELSE has realized that the jig is up, which is totally why we're responding as a big name that only has any meaning or significance because it is the media.

Sure thing, guys.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
8. This is snark, right?
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 04:40 PM
Sep 2016

I know this is snark, but "the media" is the only private business mentioned in the Constitution (called The Press at the time).

The Media was given special protection and privileges in the Constitution because a well informed Electorate (We the people) are necessary for us to exist and pick our representation.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
10. "Paul Farhi is The Washington Post's media reporter". OK Paul, your resignation is accepted.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 04:52 PM
Sep 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/paul-farhi/

You've just told us you have nothing to write about. Goodbye.
 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
14. I agree in a sense
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 05:25 PM
Sep 2016

In that there is no single media. The media is made up of lots of individual outfits big and small.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
15. On Iraq, journalists didn’t fail. They just didn’t succeed.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 05:26 PM
Sep 2016

"Some of these stories — too many — were not given prominence and, in the case of newspapers, didn’t make the front page. But it wasn’t impossible for skeptics of the war to connect the dots."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/on-iraq-journalists-didnt-fail-they-just-didnt-succeed/2013/03/22/0ca6cee6-9186-11e2-9abd-e4c5c9dc5e90_story.html?utm_term=.6e7444204faf

They didn't make it impossible for skeptics of the war to connect the dots, they just made sure that average Joe never heard from those skeptics.


Here's another Great® opinion piece from this journalist.
"Trump gets way more TV news time than Clinton. So what?"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-gets-way-more-tv-news-time-than-clinton-so-what/2016/09/21/719d1bac-7ea9-11e6-8d0c-fb6c00c90481_story.html

Two days later he writes this garbage, the responses must of got under his skin.

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
16. How about...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 05:30 PM
Sep 2016

How about: stenographers, propagandists, 5th column, manufacturers of disinformation, dispensers of rumor and innuendo, gossip columnists, writers who would make Hedda Hopper and/or Louella Parsons blush, an institution envied by wanna be dictators, competition for the national enquirer and/or its foreign cousin; the daily mail...


for a start.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
17. What would you call the group of people serving as go-between between the powers that be and the
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 05:36 PM
Sep 2016

public?
"Media" sounds appropriate to me

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
20. What media is....is 6 giant corporations who own 90% of what we call media/press....
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 08:36 PM
Sep 2016

So our choices are extremely limited, and we didn't make this shit up!

Example: AP writes a story....and where does it end up? Every fucking where.....
I called that a conglomerate media monopoly which gives us the "illusion" of having many choices
as to where we get our news, when we really have very few choices.

It's really not that complicated WAPO guy!

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
21. Good post.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 01:06 AM
Sep 2016

The author of that tripe featured by the OP, thinks he knows something. I wonder if he honestly believes the media establishment doesn't frame the political narrative in the US.

[bold]10 Brilliant Quotes by Noam Chomsky on How Media Really Operates in America[/bold]

1. "The major media-particularly, the elite media that set the agenda that others generally follow-are corporations “selling” privileged audiences to other businesses. It would hardly come as a surprise if the picture of the world they present were to reflect the perspectives and interests of the sellers, the buyers, and the product. Concentration of ownership of the media is high and increasing. Furthermore, those who occupy managerial positions in the media, or gain status within them as commentators, belong to the same privileged elites, and might be expected to share the perceptions, aspirations, and attitudes of their associates, reflecting their own class interests as well. Journalists entering the system are unlikely to make their way unless they conform to these ideological pressures, generally by internalizing the values; it is not easy to say one thing and believe another, and those who fail to conform will tend to be weeded out by familiar mechanisms."

2. “If the media were honest, they would say, Look, here are the interests we represent and this is the framework within which we look at things. This is our set of beliefs and commitments. That’s what they would say, very much as their critics say. For example, I don’t try to hide my commitments, and the Washington Post and New York Times shouldn’t do it either. However, they must do it, because this mask of balance and objectivity is a crucial part of the propaganda function. In fact, they actually go beyond that. They try to present themselves as adversarial to power, as subversive, digging away at powerful institutions and undermining them. The academic profession plays along with this game.”
[center]*******[/center
9. "You don’t have any other society where the educated classes are so effectively indoctrinated and controlled by a subtle propaganda system – a private system including media, intellectual opinion forming magazines and the participation of the most highly educated sections of the population. Such people ought to be referred to as “Commissars” – for that is what their essential function is – to set up and maintain a system of doctrines and beliefs which will undermine independent thought and prevent a proper understanding and analysis of national and global institutions, issues, and policies."

10. “Citizens of the democratic societies should undertake a course of intellectual self defense to protect themselves from manipulation and control, and to lay the basis for meaningful democracy.”

http://www.alternet.org/media/10-brilliant-quotes-noam-chomsky-how-media-really-operates-america

Nobody explains it like Noam Chomsky.

DFW

(54,384 posts)
22. Dear WaPo: there's a perfectly good reason we call you "the media"
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 04:41 AM
Sep 2016

It is incredibly cumbersome to always have to say "the mostly Republican-controlled print and broadcasting apparatus for disseminating reporting and commentary, and mostly a right-wing slanted mixture of the two."

It is SOOOOOOOOO much easier to just say "the media." We all know the meaning is the same in either case.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
23. nice try WaPo. Whatever you insist on calling yourselves, you are shameless
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 12:17 PM
Sep 2016

whores. I'll just call you that from now on, k?

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
30. I think we need to make a distinction between television, print, and social media.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 05:43 PM
Sep 2016

I just happen to trust written words more than I do spoken words.

Because there is more thought and introspection in written words.

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