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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 10:48 PM Sep 2016

Hillary Clinton Could Have Done Better

Maybe she won this debate, but I think she could have done better. I think she let Donald Trump off the hook of few times. There were a few places were she could have hit him with some major dingers, but she failed to attack him. There were people writing things on twitter that I think Hillary Clinton should have said. For instance, during the racial healing segment she should have brought up the fact that Trump is getting support from white supremacist without denouncing that support. Should could have also brought up the fact that Donald Trump Jr. keeps reposting white supremacist memes and promoting white supremacist talking points. Should also could have hit Trump for trying to take credit for following the law by renting to African Americans and not discriminating against African Americans and other minorities at his country club.

Maybe the fact that she did not interrupt Trump will play well with voters. She really did, in my opinion, seems subdued.

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Hillary Clinton Could Have Done Better (Original Post) erpowers Sep 2016 OP
She is more of a wonk than a tv star. That's his schtick. He couldn't even act the part. mucifer Sep 2016 #1
She did great. Learn to claim a victory Maven Sep 2016 #2
There are still two more debates. She can't drop everything in the first one. MANative Sep 2016 #3
Yes he could have had a thrombosis. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #4
And who do you think canetoad Sep 2016 #5
If she woulkd have hit him every time he opened his mouth, you'd be bitching that she hogged the napi21 Sep 2016 #6
A Little More Aggressive erpowers Sep 2016 #12
When your oponent is digging a hole, LET HIM! nt napi21 Sep 2016 #17
Thought That Was Her Strategy erpowers Sep 2016 #19
Baloney--she did great. book_worm Sep 2016 #7
blah blah blah lonestarnot Sep 2016 #8
Yes, she could have torn his heart from his chest and eaten it like an apple Orrex Sep 2016 #9
Now if she tore his heart from his chest and ate it like corn on the cob... GaYellowDawg Sep 2016 #14
Deep-fried and on a stick, right? jmowreader Sep 2016 #18
Thread win. Agschmid Sep 2016 #23
Bwahahahaha! JoePhilly Sep 2016 #25
Yawn. stopbush Sep 2016 #10
in my opinion she kicked his ass madokie Sep 2016 #11
she stripped the bark off him and he lost it eleny Sep 2016 #13
Only if she would've finished with a dick punch. NightWatcher Sep 2016 #15
Your concern is duly noted. Wednesdays Sep 2016 #16
Hillary had to walk a fine line, and she did it True Dough Sep 2016 #20
"It wasn't the perfect debate for her" Demit Sep 2016 #28
Wow. Did you read my entire post? True Dough Sep 2016 #32
I did. I noted the praise. Now explain why you had to preface it with Demit Sep 2016 #35
I was responding to the OP True Dough Sep 2016 #36
I Agree RobinA Sep 2016 #34
Everyone can do better with anything treestar Sep 2016 #21
There was only 90 minutes duncang Sep 2016 #22
She did an amazing job Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #24
She did what she needed to do liberal N proud Sep 2016 #26
Maybe you should read what real debate coaches have to say about her performance. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #27
There are 2 more debates. Plenty of time to cover all of the issues. Justice Sep 2016 #29
Yeah. She could have grown laser beam eyes... forgotmylogin Sep 2016 #30
My favorite football team crushed a rival Sunday 38-17... Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #31
Nope, can't agree with you. Hillary gave Trump ZERO to use against her, and she got under his skin. Avalux Sep 2016 #33
She was fantastic- causing unanimous favorable reviews for her/unfavorables for him wishstar Sep 2016 #37
Wet blanket says what? RonniePudding Sep 2016 #38
She got him to keep open his pie-hole the majority of the allotted time, which was her primary goal. LAGC Sep 2016 #39
I, too, think she might have done better gratuitous Sep 2016 #40

napi21

(45,806 posts)
6. If she woulkd have hit him every time he opened his mouth, you'd be bitching that she hogged the
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 10:52 PM
Sep 2016

time! There's no way anyone can hit him with everything possible because everything out of his mouth is insane.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
12. A Little More Aggressive
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 10:58 PM
Sep 2016

I just would have like her to be a little more aggressive. I think she let Trump bully her a little bit. I wish she would have fought back a little more.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
19. Thought That Was Her Strategy
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:14 AM
Sep 2016

I did think that was her plan. I thought she was trying to give him enough rope to hang himself. However, I also thought that strategy could backfire. However, if reports, this morning, are true it did not backfire. CBS This Morning seemed to say that Trumps own team, minus Trump, accepted last night as a defeat. Major Garrett said the Trump campaign acknowledged that Clinton scored more points than they expected her to score. In addition, Rudy Guliani is claiming Trump will perform better in the second debate. That seems to be an admission of defeat in the first debate.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
9. Yes, she could have torn his heart from his chest and eaten it like an apple
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 10:55 PM
Sep 2016

But focus groups suggested that it wouldn't play well in the upper midwest.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
11. in my opinion she kicked his ass
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 10:57 PM
Sep 2016

and done it in a respectful way

he on the other hand was as disrespectful as he could be to both Hillary and Lester

eleny

(46,166 posts)
13. she stripped the bark off him and he lost it
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 10:58 PM
Sep 2016

there's more than one debate. she was smart to hold some of her strong cards for the next two debates.

True Dough

(17,311 posts)
20. Hillary had to walk a fine line, and she did it
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:32 AM
Sep 2016

It's true that it wasn't the perfect debate for her but she performed extremely well. Going into, there were analysts saying she couldn't afford to sink to Trump's level and sling mud back at him, and she successfully avoided that without being passive.

Then there were analysts who insisted that even though Hillary is the far superior candidate in terms of her depth of knowledge on a broad range of issues, she had to be careful not to come off as smarmy by standing on the stage and lecturing Donald on how the world really works. She managed to avoid that pitfall as well.

All in all, Clinton acquitted herself with aplomb. Criticizing her is akin to telling someone who scored 90% that she really should have earned that final 10%. The bar is set awfully high, the standard is exacting.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
28. "It wasn't the perfect debate for her"
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:18 AM
Sep 2016

And perfect, after all, is the standard set for Hillary Clinton.

Interesting how you lead off a post that is seemingly full of praise with critiquing her as not having a "perfect" debate.

True Dough

(17,311 posts)
32. Wow. Did you read my entire post?
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:16 PM
Sep 2016

You must be the type who expects "true" Hillary supporters to fall at her feet every time she says or does anything. My point was the same as yours, that perfect is the standard set for Hillary. She didn't achieve it last night, but it's an unfair standard and what she did accomplish was more than satisfactory.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
35. I did. I noted the praise. Now explain why you had to preface it with
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 01:13 PM
Sep 2016

her not being perfect. Nobody is perfect, we can all stipulate to that. I don't think it's necessary to say so each time we want to give someone a nice review.

You just repeated here that she didn't achieve perfection, so you must have something in mind that she did or didn't do that would have made her achieve it. I'm just curious. What is it?

True Dough

(17,311 posts)
36. I was responding to the OP
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 01:25 PM
Sep 2016

Who said she could have done better, the basis of this thread that he created. That was what I was getting at, she would have to be perfect to please some people.

As for any criticism I have to offer, NPR did a fantastic job of fact checking the debate and, not surprisingly, Pinocchio Trump misled the public far more often than Hillary, but she was incorrect in a few of her statements. I would expect her not to repeat those things again in the next two debates.


http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
34. I Agree
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:39 PM
Sep 2016

She hit just the right tone and seemed fairly relaxed doing it. She avoided the strident note she sometimes gets (yes, I am a female) and wasn't so aggressive as to scare off those afraid of women. She did let him go on, but he did more damage to himself than she would have been able to do by arguing.

The only thing she did that I don't think she should repeat is she should not bring up Bill. That just set Trump off on a rant about whatever she said Bill did. He manages to get off enough irrelevancies, she doesn't need to be reminding him of more.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
21. Everyone can do better with anything
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:49 AM
Sep 2016

It is Donald who "could have" done a lot better, by preparing, not being an asshole - oh well, maybe he couldn't.

Your post could have been better too.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
22. There was only 90 minutes
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:53 AM
Sep 2016

If she attacked him on all his stupidities it would have been still going on today.

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
26. She did what she needed to do
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:01 AM
Sep 2016

She threw the hook out there and he took the bait, she reeled it in.

Don't get in an argument with the Clintons.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
27. Maybe you should read what real debate coaches have to say about her performance.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:10 AM
Sep 2016

Their assessment was glowing. The white supremacist connections will be discussed later in another debate if there is one, as will her deplorables comments. She answered the question. Trump did not answer the question - he tried to deflect. Oh, the guy that is the debate coach for the collegiate team that has been to the last nine collegiate debate finals gave her an A and Trump an F.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
31. My favorite football team crushed a rival Sunday 38-17...
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:35 AM
Sep 2016

and some people came on the fansite and whined about "performance."

There's a lot of campaigning to do, yet. Hillary Clinton showed us something that nobody has ever seen in human history, what a female President of the United States looks like.

Enjoy it and keep working.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
33. Nope, can't agree with you. Hillary gave Trump ZERO to use against her, and she got under his skin.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:30 PM
Sep 2016

You can argue of course that she should have been more aggressive and interrupted while arguing the minutiae, but that would have been framed as her being "out of control". In fact, I believe Trump called her that hoping she would lose her cool so they'd have video to go with those words. She never once did.

In the past I have been critical of Hillary, but I was very impressed with how well she set the tone of the debate - she was in control not Trump.

This morning, Trump is blaming the MICROPHONE for his poor performance. The outcome couldn't have been better.

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
37. She was fantastic- causing unanimous favorable reviews for her/unfavorables for him
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:04 PM
Sep 2016

She successfully managed to not create any negative backlash whatsoever for herself due to her astute answers, appealing demeanor, and overall appearance- only praise from the media.

Heck, even the Weather Channel today was debunking Trump and finding her telling the truth and him dishonestly backpedaling about having called Global Warming a Chinese conspiracy

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
39. She got him to keep open his pie-hole the majority of the allotted time, which was her primary goal.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:19 PM
Sep 2016

Let him keep talking about himself, defending himself, babbling like a fool and showing undecided voters what The Donald is really all about, without being able to successfully deflect or take the focus away from his own negatives.

She knew what she was doing.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
40. I, too, think she might have done better
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 04:57 PM
Sep 2016

But it's a pretty fine line Clinton had to tread, between letting Trump just run wild and calling him on every single whopper. It's impossible to tell where that line is prospectively, though. "Clinton shouldn't let him get away with Whopper X, but if she hits him on Lie Y she'll look too picky." In retrospect, she did a pretty good job balancing the two.

I thought early on she was on her heels about NAFTA and CAFTA, but that may have been a function of gauging Trump's belligerence. Would Trump stay on the attack, or would he score his points and move on? He stayed on the attack - which was predictable - and when that became apparent, Clinton met him pretty well, keeping the exchanges well within her comfort zone.

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