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qdouble

(891 posts)
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:26 AM Sep 2016

Hillary did a lousy job of addressing Trump when he blamed her for the last 30 years policy

To any thinking person, Trump blaming Hillary for any and everything that happened over the 30 years is ridiculous, but she needs to make the ridiculousness of his argument stronger. I think she failed many times tonight to call Trump out on his bullshit. She won, no doubt to me, but she is not closing the deal and she is still leaving wiggle room for this bigot and we should not take this lightly.

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Hillary did a lousy job of addressing Trump when he blamed her for the last 30 years policy (Original Post) qdouble Sep 2016 OP
No she didn't take the bait LostinRed Sep 2016 #1
She did very good on some areas, but I think she let a lot of his bullshit statements live. qdouble Sep 2016 #2
At times she was overwhelmed by bullshit Freddie Sep 2016 #15
Mainly Agree With You erpowers Sep 2016 #28
Everyone I've talked to thought she cleaned his clock. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #3
You're wrong ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2016 #4
thirty years experience over his NONE. spanone Sep 2016 #5
She didn't need to address it. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2016 #6
Let's not get this twisted... qdouble Sep 2016 #7
She did address it, and quite well, showing him to be an unhinged jerk: SunSeeker Sep 2016 #8
This duncang Sep 2016 #10
That's a good point. However, the next debate is in a town hall arthritisR_US Sep 2016 #14
Hillary is very good at listening and actually answering the question. SunSeeker Sep 2016 #19
I hope so, the moderator will be another factor. nt arthritisR_US Sep 2016 #30
I suspect that you're one of these glass half empty folks. longship Sep 2016 #9
Uh qdouble Sep 2016 #12
Unnnnn, he highlighted her strength in the insult ... don't know if that helped him much uponit7771 Sep 2016 #11
I agree. I think this debate has given her a lot of material arthritisR_US Sep 2016 #13
Hillary won this debate hands down. qdouble Sep 2016 #16
Which is why she ignored it malaise Sep 2016 #17
Trump humpers on in retreat, I'm seeing :) qdouble Sep 2016 #18
Hillary did not do anything lousily. You are delusional. lonestarnot Sep 2016 #20
Which one of us here couldn't do what Trump has been doing? True Dough Sep 2016 #21
She has never been in charge of policy. randome Sep 2016 #22
Should Have Said That erpowers Sep 2016 #25
That would be a catch-22 situation, though, implying that she doesn't have the experience. randome Sep 2016 #29
The only problem I had with her was treestar Sep 2016 #23
I liked That Response erpowers Sep 2016 #26
he is getting way too big a pass on that treestar Sep 2016 #27
She crushed him like a bug ... and by the end ... JoePhilly Sep 2016 #24

qdouble

(891 posts)
2. She did very good on some areas, but I think she let a lot of his bullshit statements live.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:29 AM
Sep 2016

He tried to tie her to anything and everything that happened and she did not effectively remove herself from the blame of world politics.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
28. Mainly Agree With You
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:53 AM
Sep 2016

I mainly agree with you, but I think Lester Holt being such a horrible moderator helped Trump. Holt failed to control Trump for most, if not, all of the debate. Throughout most of the debate, as Clinton tried to defend herself Trump tried to prevent her from speaking. On the other hand, I do not think Clinton interrupted Trump once. It is hard to defend yourself when someone refuses to let you speak and you are trying to be polite.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
3. Everyone I've talked to thought she cleaned his clock.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:30 AM
Sep 2016

He came off looking like a sputtering moron who couldn't complete a thought.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
6. She didn't need to address it.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:38 AM
Sep 2016

Just like she didn't need to address his claim that she's been fighting ISIS her "entire adult life."

qdouble

(891 posts)
7. Let's not get this twisted...
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:38 AM
Sep 2016

I think Hillary won this hands down, but I'm speaking about the red meat that she left on the table. Hillary won the last 3/4ths of the debate. Trump won or tied the first 1/4th. We need pure shutout as they are setting the bar so low for him.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
8. She did address it, and quite well, showing him to be an unhinged jerk:
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:50 AM
Sep 2016
HILLARY CLINTON
I have a feeling that by the end of this evening, I’ll be blamed for everything that’s ever happened.

DONALD TRUMP
Why not?

(LAUGHTER)

HILLARY CLINTON
Why not, yeah why not? Just join the debate by saying more crazy things.


http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate


She didn’t let him bog her down trying to defend every little thing, she concentrated on the points she had to make.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
10. This
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:56 AM
Sep 2016

She could have gone down a long line. But that would have just let pressure off of dipshit donnie. She did great by saying that and keeping up the attack on him in just 2 sentences at the same time.

arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
14. That's a good point. However, the next debate is in a town hall
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 04:26 AM
Sep 2016

forum with so called "undecideds" and I can see the audience being riddled with Cons pretending to be other so I'm not sure that approach would work in that setting.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
19. Hillary is very good at listening and actually answering the question.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:16 AM
Sep 2016

Hillary does very well in town hall type settings where individuals ask questions.

qdouble

(891 posts)
12. Uh
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 03:58 AM
Sep 2016

I'm speaking of how I felt before she pulled away. She clearly won, but she is not being nearly as aggressive in pointing out the bullshit arguments he is making. When I watch recaps, if you just watch the first 15 mins, it's not clear who won... I'm saying she needs to come out stronger... taking stuff for granted is the reason why this race is even close in the first place.

qdouble

(891 posts)
16. Hillary won this debate hands down.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 04:49 AM
Sep 2016

What I'm saying is, let's push her in the right direction for future debates.

True Dough

(17,311 posts)
21. Which one of us here couldn't do what Trump has been doing?
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:21 AM
Sep 2016

Routinely rhyming off all the problems of the country and issues from around the world, some real and some vastly exaggerated, and then insist we can do a better job. Rarely would you be required to provide an actual solution, just critique the incumbents, tie them to "disasters" and tell everyone you're the only guy who can fix the problems, details to come later.

Drumpf is so full of hot air, it's unbelievable.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
22. She has never been in charge of policy.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:25 AM
Sep 2016

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randome

(34,845 posts)
29. That would be a catch-22 situation, though, implying that she doesn't have the experience.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:56 AM
Sep 2016

Just being close to the executive office all these years is enough but you know how GOP-ers parse things.
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. The only problem I had with her was
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:35 AM
Sep 2016

apologizing again for the emails when releasing tax returns should not be fair consideration for that. But he looks like a bully making that demand anyway.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
26. I liked That Response
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:49 AM
Sep 2016

I actually liked that she took responsibility for her actions, said she made a mistake, and then tried to move on to other things. Compare that to Donald Trump and the birther issue, along with other issues. Trump is still trying to blame others and not take responsibility for his actions. He could have easily said, "You know what I made a mistake. For years I said things I should not have said. If I could go back and do it over again I would change things. I would now like to move on to other things."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
27. he is getting way too big a pass on that
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:52 AM
Sep 2016

Imagine if Hillary changed positions on something of which she had been so firm a backer as he was with the birtherism.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
24. She crushed him like a bug ... and by the end ...
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:39 AM
Sep 2016

... he was little more than a wet puddle.

At the end, she calmly walks up and shakes Holt's hand. Then engages the crowd.

Meanwhile, Trump is staggering around back by the podiums, totally lost and unsure of where he is or what has just happened to him.

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