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FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 02:56 PM Sep 2016

Elon Musk's push for autopilot unnerves some Tesla employees

Elon Musk's push for autopilot unnerves some Tesla employees

Even before Tesla reported the first known death of a driver using its autopilot feature, some employees worried the car company wasn't taking every possible precaution.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/technology/elon-musk-tesla-autopilot/index.html

by Seth Fiegerman | July 28, 2016: 11:31 AM ET


Those building autopilot were acutely aware that any shortcoming or unforeseen flaw could lead to injury or death -- whether it be blind spots with the car's sensors or drivers misusing the technology.

But Tesla founder and CEO Elon Musk believes that autopilot has the potential to save lives by reducing human error -- and has pushed hard to get the feature to market.

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Some Tesla (TSLA) employees struggled with this balance, according to interviews CNNMoney conducted with five current and former Tesla employees, including several from the autopilot division, most of whom spoke on condition of anonymity.

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When Rajkumar has raised concerns with those Tesla employees about autopilot's technical limitations, the response is they have to "wash their hands of it" because "it's a business decision."

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Yes, I will say up front what others will say. It is inevitable. and people are misusing the technology - it is not a driver replacement (despite Elon's fantasy that it is). But we the public still have the right AND the obligation to push for the maximum level of safety.
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Elon Musk's push for autopilot unnerves some Tesla employees (Original Post) FrodosPet Sep 2016 OP
Potential to save lives? Has he not driven on a California freeway before? Initech Sep 2016 #1
What is the maximum level of safety? Glassunion Sep 2016 #2
Good point. Perfection IS impossible. FrodosPet Sep 2016 #3
As cool as I think his cars are, no thanks for now. CRF450 Sep 2016 #4

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
2. What is the maximum level of safety?
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 03:20 PM
Sep 2016

Yes it should be regulated.
Yes it should be regularly inspected and maintained.

But where are the goalposts set in relation to "maximum level of safety" in regards to automobiles? Zero accidents ever, or is there an acceptable threshold?

Would reducing the number of passenger vehicle accidents by 5 million a year thus reducing the number of injuries by 1 million and dead by 22 thousand annually? Would this be a level of safety worth achieving, or should we put off deployment until the Maximum Level of Safety reaches zero?

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
3. Good point. Perfection IS impossible.
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 03:48 PM
Sep 2016

Nevertheless, the performance standard needs to be at a higher level than it currently is with Tesla's Autopilot..

The Tesla has an insufficient set of sensors, and insufficient processing, to do what it CLAIMS to be able to do safely.

I've been watching a number of videos on autopilot. Even with v8.0, the system is making some dangerous, and potentially deadly errors. For example, the sonar blind spot sensors will see cars and busses, but not the gap between wheels on a semi. OK, IT thinks it is safe to merge right. And yes, it will feed you onto the exit ramp - AT FREEWAY SPEED.

Sure, you can talk all day about how people should know better. But unless and until there is some advanced testing to make sure unqualified and/or reckless people are not using the system, there is an obligation on the part of corporations who are intending to profit on the technology to use the safest system available.

CRF450

(2,244 posts)
4. As cool as I think his cars are, no thanks for now.
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 10:47 PM
Sep 2016

For me to even remotely trust an auto pilot system, it has to have many years of great results and safety records of wide use.

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