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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFellow DU women: what woman in her right mind would "advocate" for a woman who slept with her
husband? It's not like she didn't know he was married, unlike that poor woman who got mixed up with Scott Peterson. All these fucking hypocritical men tsk tsking about Hillary's"enabling" is infuriating. Forget the fact that they're lying about Hillary"attacking" these women mercilessly, how DARE Gingrinch, Ghouliani, and all the other mansplainers tell women how to act and feel. I really hope this blows up in his bloated, orange, disgusting face big time.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)It burns me up and I imagine a lot of women will feel the same way.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)will not have warm fuzzy feelings for the "other woman" and, if asked, probably will not have kind things to say about her. Any woman who has experienced this situation (and probably any man) knows this. Nobody is going to blame Hillary for not defending or embracing Bill's girlfriends.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)I'll just leave it at that...
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)were not allowed to say anything negative about the other women. I bet he defended his mistresses
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)These women knew he was married and had the affair anyway. I think some of them did it on purpose for possible fame and notoriety. Did any of them really think he was going to leave Hillary and marry them while he was President of the United States?
Trying to make them seem like they were innocent victims that Bill Clinton preyed upon is going to be pretty hard to do.
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)Tell me how that sentence should be constructed to show relationship to a man?
Or, I hope, you're being facetious.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Obviously that word means something really bizzarro to them, and whatever that is, it's totally different than how I define feminism. In their fantasy, maybe they think Hillary was supposed to join them in a menage a trois and then write her a letter of recommendation.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)Then ask them if they would like to hear Donald J. tRump speak for most of 30 seconds in an ad. Show them the Mirrors ad. Wait silently until they speak first after the ad. Then ask them what they would do if someone they knew said that to their daughter or wife.
If they realize the jig is up and don't want to watch the ad ("You're trying to trick me, it's a Hillary ad." , tell them they're strong enough, they can take it, and it won't affect them (of course it will affect them). Gently dare them to watch it.
skylucy
(3,743 posts)Hillary was "mean" to the woman who had affairs with Bill.
napi21
(45,806 posts)around with Bill SHOULD BE CONGRATULATIANG HER FOR NOT SAYING "I'd like to kill them!" I don't mean she would, but that would be the feelings of most betrayed women.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)They had a cat fight at a resort in Aspen. tRump took Ivana and kids to the resort. Maples was at the same resort on another floor. Ivana found out, and they had a very loud argument. Hillary NEVER did anything like that. Finally, both women discovered that tRump is not worth fighting for, unlike Bill when Hillary decided to hold on to their marriage. This sex tape from Playboy with tRump in it, was that made AFTER his marriage to Maleria?
calimary
(81,466 posts)Don't know if she meant that as some of us would interpret it to mean, but Ivana was a smart woman.
Arkansas Granny
(31,528 posts)Can there be a more blatant display of the old double standard?
calimary
(81,466 posts)One of 'em (rudy giuliani) announced he was divorcing his wife ON TELEVISION, before he ever bothered to tell her. AND he moved his then-mistress into the Mayor's mansion WHILE his wife was still living there, with their under-age son. She was Donna Hanover and she was publicly humiliated, because she was a local TV personality - so everybody in New York knew who she was, in her own right, as well as the wife of the mayor.
The other of 'em (ol' newty) had the "elegance" and "class" to deliver divorce papers to her while she was in the hospital as a cancer patient. I remember reading how he allegedly told her he needed someone better-looking and "more presidential-looking" on his arm than she was.
Utter CADS, both these vile weasels. No wonder they're both working together, side-by-side, on behalf of yet another weasel. The three of 'em belong together. Three Blind Lice.
catbyte
(34,447 posts)They are all so utterly vile.
Arkansas Granny
(31,528 posts)Did you see this post earlier today?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512458361
catbyte
(34,447 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Response to onecaliberal (Reply #9)
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womanofthehills
(8,761 posts)Studies are all over the place with some studies saying 50 to 70 percent of men have cheated and 30 per cent or more women have cheated.
Most choose to remain with their spouses esp if children are involved, so Hillary will have many women who identify with her. God, Trump is so stupid.
Greybnk48
(10,176 posts)Normal human beings usually feel dislike all the way up to raging hatred toward someone who went after their mate and their family. That is what's natural, especially if it's a threat to their children.
A human reaction like hers only makes Hillary more human, not less of a feminist, but remember, we are dealing with people who do not deal in the currency of rational thought.
niyad
(113,552 posts)have those three adulterous bastards had between them? how many marriages (nine, isn't it?) actually, I would rather it blew up in another part of his anatomy, assuming we could find it.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)You will need a flashlight AND a magnifying glass. Why do you think he has to PAY for it? The women do not chase after him, the way they did Bill. Have you seen him without that overerly padded suit coat? Those naked statues look GOOD compared to how he looks in golf shirts.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,251 posts)she saw how it humiliated Hillary was - the whole nation saw it - it was heartbreaking. Hillary and Bill have worked it out. I wonder if she ever got an apology from the home wreaker.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What you said!
nolabear
(41,991 posts)Infuriated, with some ambition of your own that's being truly messed with in addition to the betrayal. Smart. Adore your child and hell, even him in addition to wanting to kill him. Not willing to give up anything, but truly, truly angry. So you float some ideas and say some things and think better of it and grit your teeth and pay one of them off to just be rid of it. And you hear about it every damn day for the next thirty years. And you survive. And you don't buckle. And you win.
Yeah, I can get behind that.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)I admire Hillary. More class in her little finger than any of those bimbos, or any tRump family member present or past.
homegirl
(1,433 posts)if it was Hillary who had multiple affairs and three husbands what Trump, Gingrich and Guliani would be spouting. Always interesting to examine these situations from a different perspective.
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)The mansplainers need to be slapped down by women and men who understand and support.
KALD
(128 posts)I would have a few choice words for them. Although in the end I would blame my hubby more. That said, this would be a HUGE mistake for the GOP and that orange idiot to go there. Repub women I know are not happy about them pointing the finger at Hillary for Bill's indiscretions.
wryter2000
(46,081 posts)KT2000
(20,587 posts)that his wife would love and advocate for women he has slept with??
They should do a "listening tour" to fully understand how women feel about this. What idiots.
I know of one woman who took her husband's dirty laundry to the mistress's house and handed it over to her. She told her it was her responsibility now if she wanted him so much.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The American people know what they're voting for, and it's not "who has the best marriage"
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)And I wonder why no one EVER asks these women pushing this line of attack on Hillary what would they do in her place.
Same thing with the men why aren't they asked what their reaction would be if their wives cheated on them? Would they feel a sense of "solidarity" towards "the other" man
mcar
(42,372 posts)It's the Hillary standard, applied only to this woman.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It is disgusting how badly HRC has been treated.
wryter2000
(46,081 posts)His followers will love it, but nothing penetrates that cloud of ignorance.
TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)The dude thinks he's like Hugh Hefner.
That's why he did all that Playboy stuff back in the day.
Warpy
(111,339 posts)is about the kindest I've been once the affair was over.
I eventually took a hike and never looked back.
David__77
(23,503 posts)If, indeed, there is cheating (sex with others isn't cheating is agreeable to both partners), the spouse broke the agreement and not the third party. I can understand being angry with the third party.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)I don't judge candidates on either side on such things.
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)No Grace At Gracie Mansion
By Margaret Carlson Sunday, May 20, 2001/ TIME magazine
What will we tell the children? Republicans liked wringing their hands over that one, adding the bad example set by Bill Clinton to their reasons for impeaching him. So what are G.O.P. leaders thinking as their flagship mayor, Rudy Giuliani of New York City, risks damaging his children by publicly berating their mother and declaring his eternal love for a woman not his wife? On Friday his kids and the other 1.5 million children in the five boroughs awoke to tabloids screaming RUDY AND JUDI 4 EVER after Giuliani defended his girlfriend Judith Nathan in the wake of a PEOPLE magazine story. Giuliani gushed that the "very caring and loving" Nathan "doesn't deserve being treated this way. I feel very bad for her, more than anyone else, because she deserves it the least."
Oh, really? What do Andrew, 15, and Caroline, 11, deserve? A Dad who trashes their mother? After Giuliani's estranged wife Donna Hanover asked a judge to bar Nathan from visiting Gracie Mansion, the official residence (where the family still lives), and argued against a gag order in the case, Giuliani unleashed his lawyer Raoul Felder. Starting on Mother's Day, no less, Felder called Hanover an "uncaring mother" who stayed in a dead marriage for "twisted motives." Though her lawyer Victor Kovner says the couple agreed that Hanover should continue living in Gracie Mansion until her apartment is available, Felder made her sound like the interloper "howling like a stuck pig," who would have to be pulled "from the chain of the chandeliers" to remove her. In an attempt to win sympathy and perhaps absolution from the Roman Catholic Archdiocese, Felder volunteered that Rudy wasn't violating the Sixth Commandment because his treatment for prostate cancer had left him impotent.
Does Giuliani think his kids or their schoolyard friends --and enemies--don't read the papers? G.O.P. outrage must be in the same lockbox it rested in when family-values conservatives like Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde and Dan Burton were found to have indulged in the same conduct for which they were condemning others. Rudy himself is a Morality Czar, trying to shut down strip clubs and block funding for museums he finds offensive to Catholics. He's becoming offensive to Catholics. Can someone shut him down?
Before the Mother's Day massacre, Rudy was poised to leave City Hall on a wave of goodwill, with the door open to future office. Despite announcing the end of his marriage to the press corps before he told his wife, he had garnered a level of public sympathy not usually available to adulterers, perhaps because news of his sickness and "good friend" struck at about the same time. New Yorkers are both practical (grateful to the mayor for reviving the city) and romantic (a man looking the Grim Reaper in the eye should be allowed a second chance at happiness). It helped that Nathan wasn't an intern, that she was taking him in sickness, not in health, and that the mayor was following the first rule of civilized divorce: dwell not on your ex's faults as a spouse but on her virtues as a parent. Back then he praised Hanover as "a wonderful mother."
The marriage had long been a cold affair. Hanover had dropped his name, avoided his company and suggested he might not get her vote. She appeared in the R-rated Vagina Monologues. Overall, she came across less as the wronged wife (see Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton) than as an enabler clinging to the perks of office (see First Lady Hillary Clinton).
When Rudy gets mad, he gets even. Just ask the people he's sent packing. Think of Hanover as former police commissioner William Bratton or as a squeegee man. Hanover doesn't want the kids to meet Judi at Gracie Mansion? Well, then, she's got a warped agenda and "doesn't care what happens to the children." Felder let it be known that Giuliani has to sleep in the den, with the bath down the hall, where he runs as many as eight times a night to vomit while his wife lives like a queen in the master bedroom. But that kind of ghastly candor repelled the public, and Giuliani finally shut down Felder, who explained that his pre-emptive attack was just lawyer's "hardball." Like another famous wife, Hanover does not naturally inspire affection. But like another famous husband, Rudy has engendered it for her. He's making Hanover look so much like a victim that she might consider running for office. Hillary's seat is up in 2006.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,127260,00.html
kskiska
(27,047 posts)She had an affair with her college professor, at the same time she pretended to be best friends with his wife and babysat their children. Then she announced her plans to head to D.C. and get her "Presidential Kneepads." She came on to Clinton every place he was appearing, standing on his rope lines and even fondling him as he leaned over toward her. Then she'd wear a thong to work and flip up her skirt so he'd notice. He certainly didn't "attack" her. He most likely wouldn't have even noticed her if she hadn't chase him. On top of it all, she blabbed and boasted of her exploits with Linda Tripp, getting advice on how to keep him. Then Clinton had second thoughts and wanted out of the relationship, as she'd always told him either party could end it That's when she began to threaten him, and she was reassigned to another job. Enter Ken Starr.
Now Poor Monica is a victim.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,251 posts)-Steph-
(409 posts)than normal if he decides to pursue this line of garbage at the next debate. It's not going to play well with anyone other than his deplorable base. This isn't the kind of issue that most voters, outside of his basket of deplorables, care about and I predict it's going to backfire on him.
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)and the partnership are far more valuable than indiscretions and the fallibility of being human -- and male.
I become very sad when I see long term, lovely partnerships dissolve over petty issues -- and yes, I think that a momentary dalliance IS petty. I suppose if the other person truly falls in love with someone else, it's time for them to move on. But to split up over that need for a break, to take a breather after some 25 years, well... it's not always the right decision. I think that often people in long term relationships need a gap year, why not?
I have no respect for people who make an effort to seduce someone in a partnership, that's very rude and unethical, and it speaks to their lack of character, immaturity and self-control.
That being said, humans are genuinely often very weak creatures when it comes to sex and alleged attraction.
It's astonishing to see people destroy their lives just for sex. Men risking their lives just for sex (AIDS), people tarnishing their lifelong careers for sex, (clinton). Seriously, risking so much, risking everything one has worked for, for a few moments of pleasure.... it's irrational. People need to learn to control themselves.
Mrs. Clinton made an excellent choice in forgiving her husband. She recognizes that his weakness is not worth throwing away a life-long friendship and partnership. She's not obligated to feel anything about the females with whom he has dallied. And while she's entitled to be critical, but it's not worth thinking about for more than a moment. Petty grudges are pointless.