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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsis there any pathology to people who bold face lie on TV ... KNOWING there's recording of them
... saying the opposite of what they're lying about?!
I can understand someone saying they didn't do something they didn't ....THINK.... was recorded but dammit when someone says the opposite of something they KNEW is recorded ?!?!
Are these people freakin crazy!?!?!
Pence has 3 - 5 big ass'd BOLD FACED, YES HE DID SAY THAT, recorded, whoppers on national TV during the debates as if someone isn't going to call him on it !!?!!?
He didn't even try to message the denial ... just ... lie... KNOWING he was recorded !!!!
I've seen kids ... hell... DOGS who can't do that... I've literally seen a dog who wasn't seen doing the do and own up to it in a doggy way.
Thx in advance for any input
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Appearance and emptiness simultaneously existing together. That's how we Buddhists try to remember to see all phenomena. What's important to Trump and Pence is the appearance of stuff. As long as Trump appears to look like a billionaire businessman with all the trappings, private plane, trophy wife, big Manhattan penthouse, etc, then that's what he must be (in his mind). As long as Pence looks like what a fundie Christian dominionist looks like, then he hopes folks will believe that he's a righteous Christian man. But underlying all the stuff of appearances is emptiness. There's no there, there. Impermanent, a con. So lying is no big deal to them.
It's really quite insulting to a rational person's intelligence. But getting angry about their lies is counter productive, because they are going to continue to spin lie after lie after lie. The best we can do is see them clearly for what they are. Pernicious liars, con artists, and self-righteous bigots. Vote them away to disappear from the political scene.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... like in that area he doesn't even think he has to give a damn
Retired George
(332 posts)stage left
(2,966 posts)That's what you do.
It's in the job description.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)that's who they are playing to
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Adolf Hitler
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etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Unfortunately, it doesn't say much for voters but very few will seek out information. They will accept what is said from"their" candidate and disregard fact checking (either overtly disregarding or simply being oblivious to it).
DU is not a realistic measure of US voters ... we are more engaged and (hopefully) more interested in fact finding and checking than the "average" voter in the US.
They lie because it works
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)But that is why trump is losing the educated voters....
kentuck
(111,110 posts)The truth is whatever you want it to be.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,514 posts)MiRT - Clean-up in aisle 1!
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AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)lead to lots of Lochte lying at Olympics. The pathology of lying is pretty clear but lying when video evidence exists to contradict the lie(s) is the point here. In the meantime, I found this about Fox News "facts" being mostly lies and it mentions other corporate news channels too.
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[link:http://www.mintpressnews.com/pants-on-fire-analysis-shows-60-of-fox-news-facts-are-really-lies/205563/|
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... found this
http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/how-to-spot-a-liar
Key Findings: Word Count, Profanity, And Pronouns
In terms of strategic cues, the researchers discovered the following:
Bald-faced liars tended to use many more words during the ultimatum game than did truth tellers, presumably in an attempt to win over suspicious receivers. Van Swol dubbed this "the Pinocchio effect." "Just like Pinocchio's nose, the number of words grew along with the lie," she says.
Allocators who engaged in deception by omission, on the other hand, used fewer words and shorter sentences than truth tellers.
Among the findings related to nonstrategic cues:
On average, liars used more swear words than did truth tellersespecially in cases where the recipients voiced suspicion about the true amount of the endowment. "We think this may be due to the fact that it takes a lot of cognitive energy to lie," Van Swol says. "Using so much of your brain to lie may make it hard to monitor yourself in other areas."
Liars used far more third-person pronouns than truth tellers or omitters. "This is a way of distancing themselves from and avoiding ownership of the lie," Van Swol explains.
Liars spoke in more complex sentences than either omitters or truth tellers.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)It could be as simple as that. They tell so many lies they just can't remember them all.