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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI had a man grab me by the Pu$$y once...
I was 10. Yep. And he was my uncle and he basically got away with it.
That fucker Trump is just like him.
kimbutgar
(21,161 posts)Once as a kid this old guy in a store grabbed me and at a crowded Halloween party. So gross so degrading, I left the party after that.
sarae
(3,284 posts)Everyone should condemn Trump's words and actions (and those of men like him) there's really no excuse for it.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)The first time. The first time. The first time. You HEAR that? The FIRST time.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)Most woman cannot even count the times.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Mister Ed
(5,940 posts)He was arrested, charged, convicted, and then jailed for several years.
He was not nominated as the presidential candidate of a major political party.
Hugin
(33,162 posts)Her comment, "He won't try again with that hand, anyway."
hunter
(38,317 posts)My first serious girlfriend was a similar sort. She handcuffed her girlfriend's boyfriend/pimp to a urinal and beat the crap out of him while I stood watch outside the restroom door.
We broke up shortly after that. I jumped out of her moving car and left a lot of skin and blood on the streets of Berkeley.
I still suffer some PTSD regarding these sorts of mayhem.
In my matriarchal family we are pacifists by necessity, not by nature.
My great grandmas were all hard steely eyed women of the wild west, the sort who could kill a bad man and ask their good friend the county sheriff coroner to clean up the mess.
Here's the thing: There was stuff I didn't tell my mom for fear she'd go berserker on someone.
Worse, just because your mom and my mom can be insanely reckless doesn't reflect badly on anyone who isn't.
Blaming the victims of sexual abuse and violence, implying they ought to have fought back, is making apologies for the bad guys.
Hugin
(33,162 posts)Also, I'm not implying anything of an apology for the pervert's behavior
I realized after I posted this a follow-up was necessary.
There were a couple of very disturbing things about this incident.
1) He was brazen enough to perpetrate this act in plain sight of Mom's seven year old son.
2) That she was so prepared to deal with his assault. Her motions were a blur and I didn't even see it. Almost like she was practiced and anticipating it.
This occurred in the early 1970's and I can only imagine it's gotten worse.
The thought of her or anyone living their lives with that kind of constant fear kills me.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)friend's uncle came up behind me shoved his crotch into my backside and grabbed my chest.
That was the 1st time I experienced that.
kairos12
(12,862 posts)Hugin
(33,162 posts)That's the whole Republican ideology summed up in one action.
I'm so saddened for what you've experienced.
Preying in all ways on the most vulnerable. That's the whole Republican ideology summed up in one action.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)My breasts even more. I don't know what it is about a crowded bus that some men think they can take advantage of the situation.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)He came behind me, pressed up against me with a hard on while groping me. My mom was in the waiting room and when I told her , she said a doctor would not do that. A few yrs ago I asked her about it and she said she would believe it now.
It happens so many times to women - one of my first real job interviews when I was 22, I was actually running around this guys big table to get away from his groping. Not even subtle - just started grabbing within minutes of me arriving. I ran around the table and out the door. My teacher send me to the interview - it was his friend.
Another job when I was just out of art school - I was asked to get something out of the darkroom -married boss came in and started grabbing me. I ran out and a week later was terminated because I didn't have passion for the company.
Did not get a job because I refused to get into a van with a bed after a lunch interview. We literally come out out of the restaurant and the guy (who I knew from a previous job) opened the double doors of his van in the parking lot and expected me to get in. Another woman I knew got the job so I assume she got in the van bedroom.
Now as an older woman - driving on a country road, going about 50, guy behind me not passing me but on my bumper for miles so I really speed up, he speeds up and passes me - he is out of my view so I feel relieved - suddenly I come upon his car parked on side of road - he is out of his car with his pants down masterbating as I drive by. I hit the gas big time.
Luckily I have a nice man in my life who would never behave like these jerks.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)The other unwanted touches and grabs and comments are too numerous to mention or even remember
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)rested his arm on my teenage breast as he drilled and men in cars thought nothing of asking 10 yr old girls on bikes for directions and then exposing themselves. And this is before it really got bad.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)It's starts when you are a little girl, changes in scope once you are considered "legal"--or in the words of any number of assholes when you are old enough to bleed.
My father, told me when I was around 12 about a friend of his seeing me walk down the street, saying something entirely inappropriate--I forget what--and Dad--a sexist extrodinaire who would have happily voted for Trump if he hadn't died last year--gleefully told him "That's my daughter" --not upset with the language, or the attitude, more interested in embarrassing his crude friend, and proving his "ownership" of me.
It goes on, and what you look like doesn't matter because the constant evaluation of your body, thus your apparent worth is always there. Too fat, too thin, size of breasts and hips--regulated to body parts.
mainer
(12,022 posts)Looking back on it now, I can't believe I didn't yell. But I quietly grabbed his hand and shoved it away. Didn't want to make a scene. Just shows how women are conditioned not to make scenes, even when they're being asssaulted.
DustyJoe
(849 posts)As a father of three girls, 6 grandaughters I find this described pattern sickening.
Likewise I cannot understand for the life of me having men or boys in my
grandaughters dressing room or restroom and I push for single use
rooms for both sexes. One door, one stall, one person at a time.
on edit ... The persons (I decline to call them men) described above unfortunately
are the type to declare they identify as female 'temporarily' to abuse the rules
for areas defining 'self identity' adequate for access to single gender areas. They are
in fact one thing, perverts.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)because that sounds a lot like a repuke meme
DustyJoe
(849 posts)No, but I can read and see news about it happening.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/5190/5-times-transgender-men-abused-women-and-children-amanda-prestigiacomo
The headline is misleading, these were NOT transgender but perverts stating they were for the express purpose of pedophilia or sexual assault. You approve of non trans fakers screwing up gains by making the real trans who nobody usually even know is in their midst ?
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)And more women will yell or report it when it happens. I hope so.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)of their college professors.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)like that. Very early in my life, I learned that women face a different world than I do. That knowledge was sobering, and instructive about how I should behave.
My sister was the first person who related a story like that to me. She also told my father, who impressed upon the violator how distressed he was with what had happened. That teenager kept his distance from her from that time on.
I didn't understand such behavior then, and I don't understand it now. I was not raised that way, and can't imagine behaving like that. Never could.
demigoddess
(6,641 posts)have stories to tell of abuse. I was in jr high when a friend told me about her grandfather, and other women friends all told me of brothers, grandfathers, etc. I actually felt lucky, and I have a story to tell about a psychiatrist, and the boss at my first job. and my uncle ran out of town a preacher who did something to my aunt.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)He pushed me back against a washing machine. He was gross, and he smelled. I had never seen him before.
Suddenly, I had an image of my brother telling me that it was okay to hit a guy who was trying to hurt me. My knee went up, and connected. That guy stumbled back against the water heater, and the last thing I saw of him, was him slumping slowly to the floor. That felt so good.
I never saw him again.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)garage to show me something. He proceeded to grab my breasts, kiss me and try to take out his penis. My mother happened to come outside and call me in for dinner so he let me go and I ran home. I was so ashamed I was afraid to tell my parents. He was an old, fat, drunkard. Wonder how many girls he did that to over the years. I have always been sorry that I did not tell my parents. It will always haunt me.
malaise
(269,054 posts)sexual assault
erinlough
(2,176 posts)Swimming in Lake Michigan and a teenager swam under water and grabbed my crotch and laughed to his buddies. In college I was raped. People are underestimating the buttons this creep pushed.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)I'm 59 now. I had no idea listening to trumpus brag about pussy grabbing would affect me like it has. I find myself shedding some tears today.
They may be tears of deep anger and helplessness that someone would actually feel entitled to assault me like that...probably without a second thought, until he got with his friends and bragged.
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)We think about how we'd handle a variety of tense, scary, and dangerous situations, but nobody thinks to prepare for that first random grope.
Without question, Trump advocated and admitted to sexual assault. What he confuses as consent (post-grope) is really shock, stunned silence, humiliation, confusion over what to do next...
It's one of those things that you don't even realize is a big deal until it happens to you. It's one of those things where, especially if you're young, you have no idea or strategy in place of how to handle the situation.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)mostly from older men.
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Its not my place to share the details, but she was young - 12, 13. the first time she told me, I said "you were sexually assaulted". It hadn't really occurred to her that's what it was, but I believe it's impacted her entire outlook on men and sex - how could it not.
She's still very angry about it, decades later. I have to remind her that I'm not the creep that did it, please stop yelling at me! #notallmen!
Just this morning she was reading an article about it in the NYT - "tweet your molester" or something. 27 million women have responded so far.