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Meldread

(4,213 posts)
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:11 AM Oct 2016

Why the Republicans lost tonight.

Last edited Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Republicans needed Donald to stumble badly tonight; they needed him to collapse completely, and they were hoping that Hillary would walk into the ring and deliver the killing blow. Instead, she held back, and let him thrash around on stage for everyone to see, and let him walk out of the debate still wounded and bleeding.

However, she also allowed Trump to do what the Republican base have always fantasized. She let him unleash all of the hateful venom they have toward her--through Trump. You can bet that the Republican base was watching this debate with hard ons for Trump. Now, any Republican who tries to distance themselves from Trump is going to be a traitor to their cause to destroy Hillary Clinton.

The Republican party is trapped. The chains linking them to Donald Trump are in place, and there is no way to get free of him now. If they try to run, their people will turn on them. He is going to destroy them, and they know it, but they cannot run away. Most people do not realize what has happened, yet. They are wondering why Hillary held back so much during the debate--this is why. It's no longer about winning the Presidency, we've already won that, it's about winning back the Senate and the House now.

EDIT: NBC is finally starting to catch up to the reality. Watch here as Chuck Todd breaks down the numbers. Hillary Clinton now has a double-digit lead over Trump--she's broken 50 percent. He says the House is in play, and it is every Republican for themselves now.

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Why the Republicans lost tonight. (Original Post) Meldread Oct 2016 OP
Yep, I agree and ... relayerbob Oct 2016 #2
Yep. There is more stuff to drop. It's going to be epic. Meldread Oct 2016 #5
And launched their last major weapon against her relayerbob Oct 2016 #6
Funny enough, it's the GOP that's feckless C_U_L8R Oct 2016 #3
Polls seem to indicate they like that she answers the question asked and knows things Johonny Oct 2016 #4
That assumes that there is a 3rd debate... DAMANgoldberg Oct 2016 #9
Literal SLIME. hj.anony1 Oct 2016 #16
Trump may explode tonight. He was looking so fucking smug and arrogant, holding the mic to world wide wally Oct 2016 #7
Wall Street quote comes to mind exboyfil Oct 2016 #8
Yes. Their base thinks he won. trackfan Oct 2016 #10
Considering the civil war going on in the GOP davidn3600 Oct 2016 #11
Brilliant and succinct analysis. Thank you! pnwmom Oct 2016 #12
The best analysis I've heard all night! madguy Oct 2016 #13
Thanks. Meldread Oct 2016 #14
Joy Reid does. She basically said the same thing tonight. writes3000 Oct 2016 #15
Exactly Ccarmona Oct 2016 #17
Money's been offered. hj.anony1 Oct 2016 #18
The republicans here ARE Trump. They worship money above all else. ffr Oct 2016 #19
Will see no change here the GOP still will run everything dembotoz Oct 2016 #24
"Donald can run his campaign anyway he wants" quaker bill Oct 2016 #20
Meldread, having just watched the opening segment of Morning Joe, what you wrote in your OP is OnDoutside Oct 2016 #21
Yep. Meldread Oct 2016 #23
Republicans forced to reveal themselves as Republicans. Deplorable. Achilleaze Oct 2016 #22
K&R mcar Oct 2016 #25
I truly love your post! blue cat Oct 2016 #26
Thanks. Meldread Oct 2016 #28
There is a Salon piece that says much the same thing ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #27
Just updated my OP. Meldread Oct 2016 #29

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
2. Yep, I agree and ...
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:13 AM
Oct 2016

the heavy weapons and cruise missiles will be used in debate 3 to take out the whole shebang.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
5. Yep. There is more stuff to drop. It's going to be epic.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:17 AM
Oct 2016

The whole party is going to go down like the Hindenburg. Clinton looked Presidential; she walked away largely untarnished, the status-quo was upheld, and most importantly--the Republican base is salivating right now. They love what they saw and believe that they won. In their world, this is what they've always wanted. They are getting it, and it's going to destroy them.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
6. And launched their last major weapon against her
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:21 AM
Oct 2016

she deftly ignored it, and now it is spent with basically zero impact.

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
3. Funny enough, it's the GOP that's feckless
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:15 AM
Oct 2016

They've got an out of control candidate who is taking down their political institution and whatever spec of dignity it had left. And they are impotent.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
4. Polls seem to indicate they like that she answers the question asked and knows things
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:16 AM
Oct 2016

I think the third debate is going to be a nightmare of slime dumped on her and she is going to win it by letting him slime while talking about policies that help people. It's a weird thing to say because pundits seem slow to realize, outside his base most Americans like Obama, want to know about things, don't care how much Trump hates things and Clinton.

DAMANgoldberg

(1,278 posts)
9. That assumes that there is a 3rd debate...
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:58 AM
Oct 2016

Frankly, I'm surprised he showed up tonight. What does he have left to smear Hillary with? Let's get ready for the cage in Vegas. Trump will never be POTUS and he may take congress with him.

hj.anony1

(28 posts)
16. Literal SLIME.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:40 AM
Oct 2016

This madman is all about the presentation and show ...particularly when he feels good about it.
3rd debate will be buckets of green slime like one see's on the kiddo shows on Nick. And when Don the Con
loses he will brag about how he got such AMAZING tV ratings for the Presidential debates.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
7. Trump may explode tonight. He was looking so fucking smug and arrogant, holding the mic to
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:28 AM
Oct 2016

his mouth like he was a singer waiting to jump in because he KNEW he had the zinger that would clinch the election.
Then finding out she slaughtered him in the debate polls.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
8. Wall Street quote comes to mind
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:30 AM
Oct 2016

"Well I guess I will have to carry him a few rounds before he drops." Larry Wildman

trackfan

(3,650 posts)
10. Yes. Their base thinks he won.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:08 AM
Oct 2016

The base at freerepublic and on Fox (not the Republican insiders) is giddy thinking he won. It's actually beyond belief, to a rational person, how happy they are. In reality, he's just digging the hole deeper and deeper.

madguy

(51 posts)
13. The best analysis I've heard all night!
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:32 AM
Oct 2016

Multi-level chess being played by the Clinton campaign. Your insight is truly brilliant!

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
17. Exactly
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:41 AM
Oct 2016

Trump did enough to placate his base, but did nothing to increase it. He's stuck, and with him is what's left of the Repubs pols who have stuck with him. They can't bail, fearing they'll lose there own constituency, and like Trump, can't increase their support. If the rumored video surfaces with a Trump using the "n" word, it's a done deal, and the Repub Party drowns.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
19. The republicans here ARE Trump. They worship money above all else.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 03:08 AM
Oct 2016

Country and Constitution be damned.

Groping, unwanted kissing and touching is alright by them, so long as it's their candidate, they snicker.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
20. "Donald can run his campaign anyway he wants"
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 06:29 AM
Oct 2016

Translates: (I no longer give a flying F*** what he does, and you should not either...)

We are entering a new phase. The last phase was the "disqualifying" round. It could have needed a couple more weeks of work with a normal candidate, but Donald carried the ball over that goal line for us.

The next phase is the "elevating" round. This is the "morning in America", "Stronger Together" phase. It is lofty and aspirational. She leaves Donald mired in the conspiracy theory/"Benghazi!"/ Paula Jones / Monica muck and starts talking about the upside of working together as a patriotic theme.

In short, other than the very occasional reminder, they are pretty sure Donald has sufficiently disqualified himself that they no longer need to spend much money or time there.

OnDoutside

(19,957 posts)
21. Meldread, having just watched the opening segment of Morning Joe, what you wrote in your OP is
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 06:37 AM
Oct 2016

so accurate I want to congratulate you. You could see that the slimeball Scarborough was energised by what Trump said and did last night, and he is reflective of the head-up-the-arse Republicans, one who was lathering in Whitewater etc. The penny clearly hasn't dropped, that the outcome of this is just to make the GOP bomb even bigger when the next tape is filered out.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
23. Yep.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 09:24 AM
Oct 2016

In the beginning, they attempted to create distance between Donald and the rest of the Republicans. It was the, "he's not a real Republican" defense. Now, the gear is about to shift, and he's about to become a bludgeon against all Republicans. Every single Republican who has not fled for their lives is going to be called on to answer to everything Donald Trump has ever said and done, and regular people are going to expect them to demand Trump drop out. However, they are not going to be able to do it. Those who have already fled Trump are going to feel the fire from their base, as well as those who attempt to escape now.

There is no escape from this. The explosion is going to take the entire Republican party out. Watching Joe's reaction, he should probably see a doctor; his erection has apparently lasted more than four hours.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
25. K&R
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 10:03 AM
Oct 2016

Hillary held back to keep the loser Trump on the ticket and keep the Rs in a state of disarray.

She will be President. His brand will suffer greatly. The Republican Party will become engulfed in civil war.

Well played, Madam Secretary.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
28. Thanks.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 11:28 AM
Oct 2016

It is frustrating to see so many people in the media thinking that Trump won because Hillary didn't climb down into the mud with him. They do not see what the clear strategy was in the debate. Had Clinton delivered a killing blow to Trump, that would have allowed Republicans this morning to flee from him en masse. That is the last thing we want if we want to win the House and Senate. We want to chain Donald to them so that they cannot escape from him, and if they try their base will turn against them.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
29. Just updated my OP.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:52 PM
Oct 2016

I updated my OP with this:

NBC is finally starting to catch up to the reality. Watch here as Chuck Todd breaks down the numbers. Hillary Clinton now has a double-digit lead over Trump--she's broken 50 percent. He says the House is in play, and it is every Republican for themselves now.



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